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Faith 
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Message 2892 of 5796 (863704)
09-29-2019 8:47 AM
Reply to: Message 2891 by dwise1
09-29-2019 12:27 AM


Re: The Crime that Was Not and Yet Was
Except that it's the gist of the report that there was tons of collusion, just that they could not find the evidence to prove conspiracy and co-ordination.
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Screaming nonsense. That's the same thing as saying THEY FOUND NO EVIDENCE OF COLLUSION, which is the same thing as EXONERATING TRUMP. This is nothing but word twisting.
And there is NO reason at all to doubt Barr's reading of the report and presentation of its main points.
Plus, it is well known that Barr misrepresented the Mueller Report and that Mueller wrote a letter to Barr complaining how Barr misrepresented the report in such a way as to mislead the public.
It is "well known" that the Left has made all this up to discredit Barr for partisan reasons. He honestly reported what the report reported.
And Mueller's letter complained about how the MEDIA were reacting to Barr's report because like all the rest of the Left they had not expected Trump to be exonerated and they were beside themselves that the report exonerated him. Mueller did NOT say Barr misrepresented the report, I believe he even explicitly said he did not.. He did not, he did not he did not. He said the MEDIA were reacting in a way that bothered him. If I can find all this I will.
Mueller wanted like all those he had chosen to do this investigation to find Trump guilty of criminal wrongdoings and it put him in an uncomfortable position when he could not. So he tried to be honest about that fact for the sake of his reputation, which produced the truth that Barr extracted, while nevertheless larding the report with innuendo that the Left might be able to twist into something other than the truth in order to fit their false narrative about Trump's misbehavior. The duplicity seems to have succeeded.
The Mueller report like all the Left's shenanigans since Trump was elected is a masterpiece of fraud and deceit based on ambiguity and innuendo. What they are doing with this phone call with the Ukrainian President is just another example. They will twist words until they say what they WANT them to say. Trump is notoriously not precise in his communications, which gives a lot of us a headache, so unfortunately his words are twistable if one has a mind to do that. But they ARE TWISTED BY THE HOUSE GANG, they misrepresent him.
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Faith 
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Message 2894 of 5796 (863713)
09-29-2019 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 2893 by ringo
09-29-2019 2:26 PM


Re: The Crime that Was Not and Yet Was
As I believe I explained, the Mueller report told the truth in spite of itself, but in such a way that it promoted Leftist shenanigans for those who prefer it to the truth.

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Message 2897 of 5796 (863718)
09-29-2019 3:35 PM
Reply to: Message 2895 by ringo
09-29-2019 3:06 PM


Re: The Crime that Was Not and Yet Was
I explained that too ringo. Mueller has a reputation to defend, he can't lie outright, he has to be honest enough for Barr to get it while muddling it up with enough innuendo to give the Left something to turn into a lie.
I'm saying "Mueller" but really it was others who put together the report for him. Although he shares their partisan hatred of Trump so it didn't go against anything he'd have wanted to do. One could wonder, of course, how he got away with having nothing but Leftists on the staff of what one would have expected might have some objectivity to it.
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Message 2899 of 5796 (863720)
09-29-2019 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 2898 by ringo
09-29-2019 3:39 PM


Re: The Crime that Was Not and Yet Was
Barr is an honest man. He got it.

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Faith 
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Message 2911 of 5796 (863759)
09-30-2019 8:28 AM
Reply to: Message 2910 by Dr Adequate
09-30-2019 6:08 AM


Re: The Crime that Was Not and Yet Was
Guess what. I googled "Barr's Response to Mueller's letter" etc and got nothing but the reports on what Mueller had said, basically quoting what you said he said. SO sorry but the reality is not to be reduced to those few words of Mueller's, but of course Google wants us all to think so. There was a conversation between Barr and Mueller that isn't showing up. Maybe it's on page ten thousand but I'll have to look later. It's the Left that lies and lies and lies and lies and lies and the Left believes the lies. There was nothing wrong with Barr's summary of the main conclusions. He did not misrepresent them.
AbE a while later I googled "Barr asked Mueller if his four page summary misrepresented him and Mueller said no" and guess what? I got the SAME REFERENCES TO WHAT MUELLER SAID THAT YOU QUOTED. Nothing about what Barr said, nothing about the conversation between him and Mueller. Gosh, do you suppose Google has become a propaganda machine for the Left? Naaa
AbE: Wondering: If it did appear to be so, that Google misrepresents anything that counters the Liberal line, would any of you care?
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Faith 
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Message 2913 of 5796 (863764)
09-30-2019 9:29 AM
Reply to: Message 2910 by Dr Adequate
09-30-2019 6:08 AM


Google got it wrong so I went elsewhere
And Mueller's letter complained about how the MEDIA were reacting to Barr's report because like all the rest of the Left they had not expected Trump to be exonerated and they were beside themselves that the report exonerated him. Mueller did NOT say Barr misrepresented the report, I believe he even explicitly said he did not.. He did not, he did not he did not. He said the MEDIA were reacting in a way that bothered him. If I can find all this I will.
Faith, you goddamned liar. Here is what Mueller wrote.
"The summary letter the Department sent to Congress and released to the public late in the afternoon of March 24 did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance of this office's work and conclusions."
Mueller Letter Expressed Frustration With Barr Summary Of Russia Probe Findings : NPR
Not a word about the media.
You're religious. Aren't you worried that you'll end up burning in Hell while the Devil spits the word LIAR in your face for all eternity?
You should be a little more cautious about calling me a liar based on NPR or any other leftwing source, including Google. Since Google is the liar, I decided to look this up directly on a nonliberal source, Fox News, and this is what I got:
Barr on Wednesday also stressed that Mueller did not accuse him of misrepresenting his findings. He defended his actions in light of a newly released letter from the special counsel indicating Mueller had concerns Barr's summary did not fully capture the "context, nature, and substance" of his office's work.
Barr testified that during a subsequent phone call, Mueller said he was not calling his summary inaccurate but was concerned about the press reporting on it.
\He was very clear with me that he was not suggesting we had mispresented his report, Barr said.
Why couldn't I turn this up on a Google search? I'm sure you'll want to throw it out because it's Fox News, or even just because it's what Barr said, since the Left has been doing an effective job of smearing him, an honest man, but isn't it kind of interesting that I could find what I remembered there and Google had nothing on it?
So apparently Mueller only complained about the media's coverage to Barr in the phone call and not in his letter so I misremembered that part. Does that make me a liar?
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Faith 
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Message 2915 of 5796 (863771)
09-30-2019 10:30 AM
Reply to: Message 2914 by Percy
09-30-2019 10:26 AM


Re: Google got it wrong so I went elsewhere
I see, thanks. But all my efforts to get Google to turn up anything on Barr's view failed and it would only give me Mueller's statement. Nice to know if you keep working at it you may find a formula that will work in Google, but I wasn't looking for a phone call specifically so I wouldnj't have thought of it. Google used to be a lot easier to navigate. Not since Trump.
I've seen references to other search engines that are supposedly not so biased so I'll have to go to one of those. Bing wasn't mentioned.
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Faith 
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Message 2917 of 5796 (863775)
09-30-2019 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 2916 by DrJones*
09-30-2019 10:35 AM


Re: The Crime that Was Not and Yet Was
If after three years of harassment and relentless media propaganda and promises that Trump was going to prison and all that, they "didn't turn up enough evidence" throw the damn thing out, it's worthless.
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Faith 
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Message 2935 of 5796 (863937)
10-03-2019 2:09 PM
Reply to: Message 2934 by vimesey
10-03-2019 1:49 PM


Re: Fox News Gets the Facts Backward
Why are you all carrying on about the Biden comments when the phone call was primarily about the Ukraine's involvement in helping Hillary win back in 2016 and that's what Trump was asking about, not Biden. AND then Adam Schiff completely made up what Trump said, for which he should be convicted of treason according to people I've been hearing, especially since what he made up was designed to make Trump look as bad as possible, as all the Left's conjurings are designed to do.
The Biden thing came up later in the conversation, had NOTHING to do with the upcoming election, and if you hear Biden on the audio where he brags about withholding aid to Ukraine unless they fire this prosecutor within the next six hours, you ought to recognize that HE was the one strongarming a foreign leader, not Trump, whatever the reason for wanting the prosecutor gone might turn out to be.
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Faith 
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Message 2937 of 5796 (863949)
10-03-2019 2:53 PM
Reply to: Message 2936 by PaulK
10-03-2019 2:44 PM


Re: Fox News Gets the Facts Backward
In the phone call Trump definitely asked that Biden’s son should be investigated as a favour to him.
He did not. Biden didn't come up in the conversation until much later, and not in the context of asking a favor. The favor was asked about the Ukraine's part in supporting Hillary in the2016 election and what they knew about the Democrats' efforts to sabotage Trump. Nothing to do with Biden.
And yes I'm ignoring the rest of your post for now since that's the important part and maybe I'll come back to the rest but as usual I'm getting swamped by too many opponents.
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Faith 
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Message 2939 of 5796 (863951)
10-03-2019 3:25 PM
Reply to: Message 2938 by PaulK
10-03-2019 3:03 PM


Re: Fox News Gets the Facts Backward
What I said has been reported on dozens of sources that apparently those on the Left don't know about.
Here's where Biden brags about threatening to withhold a billion dollars unless they fire this prosecutor:
Starts at 1:19 I entered that location in the Enbed box but I see it didn't take so I guess you'll have to go there yourself. Sorry.
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Faith 
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Message 2941 of 5796 (863954)
10-03-2019 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 2940 by PaulK
10-03-2019 3:38 PM


Re: Fox News Gets the Facts Backward
Trump threatened NOTHING. That's all the Left's spin.

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Faith 
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Message 2944 of 5796 (863973)
10-04-2019 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 2943 by DrJones*
10-03-2019 4:04 PM


Trump was asking a favor about the 2016 election, not about Biden
This whole thing has been getting very confused so I'll have to wait and see what the ultimate upshot is. But what he did in that phone call is what all Presidents do. Such private talks should never be publicly exposed. Since it has been, many are now calling for such phone calls from former Presidents to be exposed too. It's only fair but we are now being manipulated by a corrupt Left so nothing fair is going to happen. Also there can't be a whistleblower in this case since the president is not part of the intelligence community. AND until recently a whistleblower had to have first hand information not this second or third hand gossip that the transcript showed to be wrong.
But as I've been saying, most of what I've heard is that the favor he asked wasn't about Biden anyway, which would not have been wrong even if it was, it was about the Ukraine's position in the 2016 election of meddling on the side of Hillary, and Trump's wanting to get ot the bottom of THAT collusion that issued in the Mueller investigation. The clue that this is what it was about is his mention of CrowdStrike.Here's a discussion of this aspect of the conversation.
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Faith 
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Message 2946 of 5796 (863978)
10-04-2019 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 2945 by PaulK
10-04-2019 12:14 PM


Re: Trump was asking a favor about the 2016 election, not about Biden
Everything you say here is Leftist lies, and that's al *I* am going to say at this point.

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Faith 
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Message 2955 of 5796 (864017)
10-05-2019 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 2954 by Theodoric
10-05-2019 7:25 AM


Re: Fox News Gets the Facts Backward
Weird. I never get used to the fact that just about no matter what I say here that seems perfectly straightforward to me, it's going to be spun into some kind of nasty accusation of me, and often one that makes no sense to me at all as in this case.

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