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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: The first part is just about correct, but it is clear that Trump wanted Biden’s son investigated. The rest is laughably wrong. In reality Trump thinks that the American company that investigated the DNC hack have a server in the Ukraine that he wants to get his hands on. Why he thinks that, I have no idea. I note that you offer no evidence of this supposedly incriminating audio, and since even the Fox News report cited by Percy clearly has no knowledge of such a thing, it looks like another invention of yours.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: Fox News obviously didn’t know about it either. And still, unless you can show it was for personal interest it’s still better than Trump threatening to withhold aid for personal interest.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
Oh please. He cancels military aid only hours before the call. Asks the Ukrainians to do things for him - things he shouldn’t be asking for as President - when they are asking for aid. Just because it’s implicit doesn’t mean it isn’t there.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: Trump is quite confused - read the transcript.
quote: Using his position to seek personal advantage ? His people knew, that’s why they tried to hide the transcript.
quote: Exposing Trump’s abuse of his office is hardly corrupt, nor is it unfair.
quote: And every claim there is false.
quote: The election meddling was in favour of Trump. And Trump is desperately casting around for ways to discredit it.
quote: Let’s see what that says:
...Trump has long alleged a DNC server is missing, a theory which appears to be based on a conspiracy theory peddled in right-wing circles that CrowdStrike was involved in a cover-up of the DNC breach. But in reality, there are no physical machines linked with the DNC breach that are actually missing... Trump wants Zelensky to find a machine that doesn’t exist. Let me point out that Crowdstrike is a US-based company, apparently with no offices in the Ukraine (I looked for evidence and the closest is in Romania). If they had taken physical possession of a server (there is no reason to think they did) they would have returned it to the DNC when their investigation was complete. And they certainly wouldn’t have sent it off to the Ukraine. That makes no sense. And why is Trump personally asking for this non-existent server? And sending in his personal lawyer ? As well as going on to try and get the Ukrainians to discredit Mueller and Biden ? Could it be any more obvious that it is all about Trump ? Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Fix quote box and contained link. Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Format that link differently.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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In other words it’s all true.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
I think the fact that you chose to cite Russian propaganda had a lot to do with it. RT is owned by the Russian government. The fact that they are choosing to bash Biden is evidence that the Russians are still backing Trump.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
RT or Russia Today is the source of your video in Message 2939. As can be seen be anyone who looks. The RT is hardly hidden.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
Obviously you should be interested in your sources. And you certainly can’t complain if someone notices which sources you are using.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: The devotion to lying among Trump’s followers is truly amazing.
quote: Trump asked for both. And made it plain that his personal lawyer was deeply involved. And indeed, the first is a crazy fishing expedition. Why is the President doing such a thing ? Why is he saying that it is very important (other than important to you, if you want this missiles?) These are personal favours asked for political advantage.
quote: By later you mean Trump’s next paragraph of speech. So, not much later at all. And what ongoing investigation? Why is Giuliani involved? And why is this so urgent it has to go through the President? That’s not at all ordinary, especially for a mere rumour that is almost certainly false.
quote: No sane person could believe that. It is not at all normal for the President to directly ask for assistance in an investigation. Especially not as a favour. Even less so with the implied threat of withholding military aid. And certainly not for the President’s personal lawyer to be involved.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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quote: Well that’s a lie for a start.
quote: I think that the Satanic ideology of the Right is very relevant.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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quote: Yawn. The justifications are well known. Therefore the claim that there was no justification is false.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: That’s exactly what you don’t want. So come on, tell me why all the inappropriate contacts with the Russians - and the attempts to conceal them - don’t exist. Manafort, the Trump Tower meeting, Flynn and the rest.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
Faith, you need to understand that being a liar doesn’t put Trump above the law. Simply saying that he hasn’t committed crimes is not going to work in any court. The Republicans haven’t corrupted the system that much.
There is pretty good evidence of fraud (differences in financial information given to lenders and to the tax authorities) and it wouldn’t be surprising if there were more.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
Even if the Mueller report had found nothing, there would still be a valid purpose for it. And it did find strong evidence of Obstruction of Justice as everyone knows. Even Trump knows it, which is why he keeps trying to trash Mueller. (And you have to know about. That vile habit of Trump’s is one of the reasons you love him so much)
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: No, there was an obligation to lay out the evidence for the House to decide. And that is what Mueller did. The House declined to impeach then, but that decision was waffected by political considerations. The Senate would almost certainly refuse to convict because partisan politics has taken over from principles.
quote: Yeah. Let’s talk about that. Starr failed to come up with anything in the Whitewater investigation. Instead of closing down the investigation he started on the unrelated Troopergate. That also turned up nothing, but Clinton got caught lying about Monica Lewinsky. Is that really the comparison you want to make ?
quote: It was not Mueller’s job to cover up for Trump, which is what you mean.
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