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Message 480 of 762 (863975)
10-04-2019 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 479 by Faith
10-04-2019 11:32 AM


Re: A molderate point of view on climate change
Are you assuming *all* of them are stupid or that stupid people are incapable of such affections?

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Message 482 of 762 (863980)
10-04-2019 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 481 by Faith
10-04-2019 12:04 PM


Re: A molderate point of view on climate change
How about some love, some don't, some stupid, some don't?

How about they be human?

Which raises the question in return why they love you but people ARE stupid that way.

Ahem ... yes ... well ... I can't argue against that.

But, at least they love me.

You love me, don't you? Yes? Right?


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Message 484 of 762 (863982)
10-04-2019 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 483 by Faith
10-04-2019 1:24 PM


Re: A molderate point of view on climate change
In me thou seest the twilight of such day
As after sunset fadeth in the west,

This thou perceivest, which makes thy love more strong,
To love that well which thou must leave ere long.

-Sonnet 73


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Message 486 of 762 (863986)
10-04-2019 4:38 PM
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10-04-2019 3:55 PM


Re: A molderate point of view on climate change
I stop ... for now.

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Message 489 of 762 (864006)
10-05-2019 2:45 AM
Reply to: Message 488 by Faith
10-05-2019 1:44 AM


Re: Which is the real AZ?
Are you really that sensitive to an anonymous internet fantasy?

I had the impression you had a stronger personality than that.

I see someone who is well spoken, hard headed, ready willing and able to speak her thoughts and defend her ground. That is the kind of intellect I appreciate.

The fact that you’re a religious nut job and an anti-science moron is in stark contrast to an intellect that *should* know better but somehow doesn’t. And we both know my own views don't set well with you. I just have better insults.

The contrast is interesting to me and somehow, strangely, attractive.

But, Love, please. Don’t feel so deeply that the depths of despair confine you to a teary abyss.

Don't let my often misguided sense of humor and affection shake your spirit. That was not my intent.

Embrace the relationship across this medium, but remember it is just a fantasy. Just stupid humans doing stupid human things and trying to enjoy what's left of life.

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.


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Message 491 of 762 (864008)
10-05-2019 3:00 AM
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10-05-2019 2:57 AM


Re: Which is the real AZ?
So affection with insults is ok?

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Message 496 of 762 (864040)
10-05-2019 5:06 PM
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10-05-2019 12:37 PM


Re: Which is the real AZ?
ask that you be able to tolerate my occasional emotional jags

I shall do my best, M'Lady.


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Message 499 of 762 (864109)
10-06-2019 10:49 PM
Reply to: Message 498 by Faith
10-06-2019 7:49 PM


Re: Sorry, just not able to be certain about it
I am not influenced or concerned by the musings of a religious nutcase who thinks the founding fathers were demons in league with jesuits and masons. And I have no patience with celebrities pushing scenarios not supported by the science.

As far as my "dangerous line" goes the science is clear. The global temperatures are rising to unprecedented levels not seen by our species ever, our oceans are heating up even more then the atmosphere with sea levels that will flood all the world's coastal areas by the end of the century and even worse beyond, weather systems are being disrupted with ever more powerful storms, droughts and floods, our ecosystems are in danger of widespread collapse in the next 200 years with extinction level die offs over the next 500 years putting our own viability on this planet in jeopardy in this next few millennia.

No one can show where this science is in error. The vast majority of climate science specialists the world over helped define and form this consensus. The opposition is without any scientific foundation but consists entirely of political rhetoric and industrial deception.

The "dangerous line" is the one we have drawn on our own continued existence.


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Message 502 of 762 (864151)
10-07-2019 11:19 AM
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10-07-2019 9:38 AM


Re: Sorry, just not able to be certain about it
The US is supposed to get railroaded into giving up our sovereignty and freedom to third world tyrants ...

What are you talking about?

I see no proposals to give up any sovereignty and freedom to anyone.

I do see proposals that the USofA participate in discussions at world meetings which we no longer do. Is that giving up sovereignty in the alt-right mind?

We are a world leader, or at least used to be, and as one of the biggest polluters, we could/should set an example for the rest of the world in setting policies and standards. Is that giving up freedom in the alt-right mind?

Is cooperating with the rest of this planet, indeed being a major force in setting the world agenda, leading the charge to salvation ... is that somehow seen as surrender?

You listen to too many Nazis.

I assume you are characterizing Chris Pinto in your opening sentence? Got it off some wacko website I suppose.

Yeah. The wacko site was his own video "The Hidden Faith of Our Founding Fathers." He's a twisted hate-filled religious nutjob. Apparently just the kind of preacher you like.


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Message 503 of 762 (864152)
10-07-2019 11:30 AM
Reply to: Message 501 by Faith
10-07-2019 10:06 AM


Re: Sorry, just not able to be certain about it
So there's time to try to do something.

You haven't been paying attention.

It's already too late for a lot of the disaster to come. It's already front-loaded into our ecosystem and there is nothing ... nothing ... we can do to stop it. The sea level flooding, badder storms, drought, famine and dislocations are all going to take place in the next 100++ years and there is nothing ... nothing ... we can do to stop it.

What we are talking about is trying to keep the deep future extinctions of our ecosystems and ourselves from happening and to do that we have to act now ... today ... we don't have time any more. We have squandered what time we had playing politics with our existence and we are about to lose.


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Message 511 of 762 (864188)
10-07-2019 4:32 PM
Reply to: Message 505 by Faith
10-07-2019 3:30 PM


Re: Sorry, just not able to be certain about it
Sure, I guess we should talk to the rest of the world about it, but if you haven't heard how their solution is the US shutting down all of OUR industry I don't know why not.

Who's solution? Who is the "their" in "their solution"? Specifics required.

Jar had a nice list of things we could be/could have been doing in this country on our own. Nothing entailed closing up the nation for the duration. But you alt-reich fanatics won't listen to anything, let alone reason or compromise or survival.

Ms. Ocasio-Cortez is right. She puts it more bluntly so people pay attention but, yes, if we don't curb CO2 emissions substantially over the next couple decades, the science in the IPCC report shows that we may lock in the extinction disasters I've been talking about.

The disasters you say are far off "so there's time to try to do something."

M'Lady. My Love. You're a fool. There is no more time. Even though the effects are 500 years out in the future the *causes* of those disasters is happening NOW. We are loading the system NOW from our end with the disasters that will come hard upon our survival centuries from now.

What part of "what we do now will kill us then" can you not comprehend!


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Message 512 of 762 (864194)
10-07-2019 4:52 PM
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10-07-2019 3:38 PM


Re: Sorry, just not able to be certain about it
in the video AZ posted way back there explaining the causes of global warming, the guy said we aren't going to get major flooding, the oceans are too huge.

You will need to watch that video again. That vid said no such thing.


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AZPaul3
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Message 607 of 762 (864386)
10-10-2019 8:39 PM
Reply to: Message 605 by Faith
10-10-2019 8:30 PM


Re: Why people like JAR should be ignored.
You are just spouting your own snarky wishfulness. Prove it.

You have got to know the evidence is all throughout history. Showing you the evidence will be easy. Not by me. I'm too lazy. I've been there before, so, yes I know.

But, I suspect you also know.

[snark]
Is the truth so tenuous in your world? Just how loose are those screws?
[/snark]


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Message 645 of 762 (864495)
10-12-2019 1:11 AM
Reply to: Message 642 by LamarkNewAge
10-11-2019 11:11 PM


Re: Luther was tolerant until Protestants took power, then unleashed hell on pagans, Jews
This is supposed to be a fun place to argue but that length of tome is beyond reasonable. I doubt most folk here are going to read it.

You might as well not have posted anything for all the value anyone is going to get from it.

Can you summarize or break it up into easily digested chunks? Remember, most of us here are of the modern western culture and need things in 30 second sound bites.


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Message 666 of 762 (864543)
10-12-2019 7:20 PM
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10-12-2019 5:04 PM


Re: Sorry, just not able to be certain about it
quote:
An author can’t get away with making outrageous or false claims because the scientific journals won’t publish it unless a random selection of scientists from the same field agree that it is valid science. Wrightstone does include some peer-reviewed references, but they are either just references to raw data that is non-controversial, to outdated reports, or to papers that he misrepresents. On the flip side, by including these references, he is giving the appearance of legitimacy to his readers. When there are references supporting his extreme claims, they are to other non-scientific, non-peer-reviewed publications. Many of his assertions are the same we hear repeatedly from other climate deniers.
source

So you found another self-serving charlatan masquerading as a scholar.

Ho hum.


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