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You're trapped in a wrinkle in time. You grew up believing that the (Soviet) Russians were evil but now your hero Trump has his lips permanently attached to Putin's ass. It's no wonder you get confused about which side you're on.

What on earth does that have to do with Biden's bragging about pressuring a foreign government into firing a prosecutor?

It was a general observation in response to your general observation.

I think the fact that you chose to cite Russian propaganda had a lot to do with it. RT is owned by the Russian government. The fact that they are choosing to bash Biden is evidence that the Russians are still backing Trump.

What's RT?

RT or Russia Today is the source of your video in Message 2939. As can be seen be anyone who looks. The RT is hardly hidden.

Obviously I wasn't interested in the source, just in what Biden said which I'd heard so many times on the radio.

So are you claiming you had no idea that your source is a Russian propaganda outfit, funded by the Russian government?Here is a quick primer.
RT (TV network) - WikipediaEdited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

You have no interest in facts or sources.

Obviously you should be interested in your sources. And you certainly can’t complain if someone notices which sources you are using.

How my response is related to this won't be immediately obvious, because I want to first reference an interesting analysis piece in the New York Times: In the Land of Self-Defeat. It describes a chunk of rural America, typical in character, that has gradually become, through no fault of its own, more and more impoverished as the circumstances that once made their community strong and vibrant gradually dissipate. One might think this would cause appeals for help from state and federal government, but they've instead withdrawn into themselves and insisted more and more upon self-reliance.It *does* take a community, and rural America is part of the community of America. We should be helping them (I don't think we know what form that help would take, but it would undoubtedly need to be both intense and diverse), but they don't want our help. They vote against the very politicians who would be most sympathetic to their plight.They favor Trump by more than 70%, and that's both the mystery and the tragedy. The tragedy is obvious, but the mystery is perplexing. They believe nearly every nonsensical word Trump speaks (I'm now finally addressing your comment) with no apparent interest in facts or logic. "Trump good, Democrats bad" combined with disparaging attitudes about government, education, minorities, immigrants and urbanites (anyone who's not them) seems to be the foundation of their philosophy.I can understand it mattering to people that Biden exaggerated both his role and the details (A billion dollars? Really, Joe?) concerning the dismissal of Ukrainian prosecutor Shokin, but I can't understand confusing it with Trump's impeachable offense in pressuring a foreign power to dig up dirt on a likely presidential opponent. Biden could bald-facedly lie that he singlehandedly chased Shokin down, cuffed him, and threw him in a cell and it would not be remotely relevant to what Trump's done.Shokin *was* investigating Burisma Holdings where Biden's son sat on the board, but for actions it took before he joined the board. What upset western democracies was Shokin's failure to assist in bringing to justice financial malfeasance in the west by Ukrainian nationals, among them the founder of that very same Burisma Holdings. By working with other western democracies to have Shokin removed as prosecutor Biden made it more likely, not less, that the founder of the company on whose board his son sat would be investigated.--PercyEdited by Percy, : Typo.Edited by Percy, : Another typo.

Leftist spin of course.GOVERNMENT: The sane people of the nation object to the socialist/communist/Marxist lean of the government, also to BIG government;EDUCATION: Object also to the Leftist ideological propaganda that is today's education.MINORITIES: Also to the racial emphasis in everything, to the PC namecalling of "racist" or "homophobe" for instance, and to what is perceived as the ideological favoring of minorities at the expense of others, not an objection to MINORITIES themselves,"IMMIGRANTS" Also to the protection and favoring of ILLEGAL immigrants, not immigrants, against the rights of citizensURBANITES: Also to the ideological political hegemony of urban areas, which now of course the Left wants to set in concrete against the rural parts of the country by doing away with the Electoral College.Your way of putting it is blindly biased. I just hope the sane people you are misrepresenting do get their way in the next election.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Yes, I was looking for the clip I'd heard so many times on the radio of Biden bragging about withholding aid if Ukraine didn't fire a particular prosecutor. When I finally found it I didn't notice the source, it didn't matter to me. But it doesn't matter to me. Biden said what he said, I don't care where he said it.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Hi Percy, this lowlife WHITE rural American has a little time to play tonight. In reading through your link, it looks to me like the between-the-lines implication is that these circumstances are party, or completely because of conservatism / Trump. But are they really, were they pretty close to the same when Obama was president?There were a few things in that article that pointed to possibilities of increasing impoverishment;

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One of the biggest natural gas companies in the area, Houston-based Southwestern Energy, stopped paying taxes to the counties here, arguing that the rates were unfair.

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Many rural counties are also experiencing declines in whatever industries were once the major employers. In Appalachia, this is coal;

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"Unfair" tax rates for business, the war on coal by environmentalists? You're right, this is not the fault of these Trump voters, or Trump himself. Yes, the ones who say; "Hell yes, we're going to take your AR-15. The ones who are also sympathetic to little foreign girls who hate U.S. productivity. Or those who place a higher priority in meddling with the fossil fuel industry than actually helping people. A LOT of intensity and diversity. They just understand facts and logic that sympathetic Democrats tend to forget and ignore. Like our $22 trillion, and growing national debt. Like recent increases in homeless communities in California that make their own lifestyles seem pretty good. And Democrat politicians (Pelosi, Waters, Schiff, anyone?) who show no concern about it. That's it - and facts and logic are involved. What I can't understand is how the mainstream media and Democrats are getting by with this, why it isn't trumpeted by Republicans just how fake it really is. Biden is NOT a political opponent of Trump's, because he's not been named as the 2020 Democrat candidate yet. The election is over a year away, while Biden is the front runner, front runners this far out are often not the candidate. Biden would take office at age 78 if elected. Even some Democrats would agree that there's too much likelihood of his death, or serious medical problems, for it to be good for the country. His chances or being the nominee are very small.26 - is that the number of Democrats who are, or were running for the 2020 nomination? Does that mean that all of them, upon their announcement as a candidate, are suddenly immune to questioning by a sitting president for possible crimes involving foreign governments any time in the past? To think that Trump is scared of the 76 year old Biden 14 months before the upcoming election is laughable. It's very believable when he says his phone call had nothing to do with the upcoming election.But back to your link;

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Economic appeals are not going to sway any Trump voters, who view anyone who is trying to increase government spending, especially to help other people, with disdain, even if it ultimately helps them, too.

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In this economy, you can be sure "economic appeals" aren't going to sway any Trump voters. The left will never understand it, but it's a simple fact that "Trump voters" often find more value in being left alone more than getting free stuff.

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And Trump voters are carrying the day here in Van Buren County. They see Mr. Trump’s slashing of the national safety net and withdrawal from the international stage as necessities these things reflect their own impulse writ large.

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They believe every tax dollar spent now is wasteful and foolish and they will have to pay for it later. It is as if there will be a nationwide scramble to cover the shortfall just as there was here with the library. As long as Democrats make promises to make their lives better with free college and Medicare for all sound like they include government spending, these voters will turn to Trump again and it won’t matter how many scandals he’s been tarnished by.

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His "scandals", most all of them greatly magnified by the Democrat news media, are microscopic compared to the current national debt, or rural America's knowledge of the disastrous results of many past socialist experiments worldwide.

Hi Percy Isn't that the same investigation Trump is asking for?It seems under Yuri Lutsenko the prosecutor general who succeeded Shokin the investigation ended with a settlement and a fine paid by one of the firm's accountants.So the results of Shokin being fired was a settlement and a fine paid by an accountant which benefited the company.Since we are still giving Ukraine a lot of money and military hardware why shouldn't that investigation be completed rather than accepting a decision made by the person who followed Biden's having Shokin fired or the Gov. would not get the billion dollars.God Bless