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Faith 
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Message 469 of 762 (863947)
10-03-2019 2:44 PM
Reply to: Message 468 by PaulK
10-03-2019 2:35 PM


Re: A molderate point of view on climate change
He's not opposing the science, he just thinks there are more issues that aren't being taken into account.
I would assume if it's true that the production of more efficient vehicles is being discouraged that there is some reason for that you aren't mentioning.
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Faith 
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Message 479 of 762 (863970)
10-04-2019 11:32 AM
Reply to: Message 473 by AZPaul3
10-03-2019 4:34 PM


Re: A molderate point of view on climate change
In my other haunts there are people equally as intractably stupid as here. It appears to be a human thing.
And this is Trump territory. I'm surprised I haven't been shot in my favorite watering hole.
But everybody there knows my name. When I walk in everyone shouts, "AZPaul!" They drop the 3 out of affection.
Oh! They love you but you call them intractably stupid.

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Faith 
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Message 481 of 762 (863976)
10-04-2019 12:04 PM
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10-04-2019 12:03 PM


Re: A molderate point of view on climate change
Groan. I assume they love you and are NOT stupid, that's just your meanness showing. Which raises the question in turn why they love you but people ARE stupid that way.
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Faith 
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Message 483 of 762 (863981)
10-04-2019 1:24 PM
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10-04-2019 12:20 PM


Re: A molderate point of view on climate change
Insofar as one can love a few words in cyberspace, and only a portion of them too, the nice ones, that represent what is presumed to be an actual person though there is no way to prove it, yes. And yes it's stupid.
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Message 485 of 762 (863984)
10-04-2019 3:55 PM
Reply to: Message 484 by AZPaul3
10-04-2019 2:15 PM


Re: A molderate point of view on climate change
You're making me cry.

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Faith 
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Message 488 of 762 (864005)
10-05-2019 1:44 AM
Reply to: Message 486 by AZPaul3
10-04-2019 4:38 PM


Which is the real AZ?
My eyes hurt from crying. You have such a sweet soul. But then you say such terrible things about me too.
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Faith 
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Message 490 of 762 (864007)
10-05-2019 2:57 AM
Reply to: Message 489 by AZPaul3
10-05-2019 2:45 AM


Re: Which is the real AZ?
You're right. Love talk undoes me. I'll try to shape up.

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Message 492 of 762 (864009)
10-05-2019 3:04 AM
Reply to: Message 491 by AZPaul3
10-05-2019 3:00 AM


Re: Re: Which is the real AZ?
I wouldn't want you to change.

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Message 493 of 762 (864020)
10-05-2019 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 489 by AZPaul3
10-05-2019 2:45 AM


Re: Which is the real AZ?
I wouldn't want you to change, but I might have to ask that you be able to tolerate my occasional emotional jags as something that may even be more likely in a strong personality who doesn't express them often.
When you write such a post about me, it's hard not to love the cyber persona you are there. You are the only one here who has any sense at all of who I am. It's very hard not to love such a phantom.
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Faith 
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Message 494 of 762 (864032)
10-05-2019 2:44 PM
Reply to: Message 471 by jar
10-03-2019 3:37 PM


Re: A molderate point of view on climate change
Trump has not revived any industry or added any jobs or provided any support for the middle and lower class.
it gets reported on the programs I listen to that we are now independent of Saudi oil due to Trump's policies.

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Faith 
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Message 497 of 762 (864043)
10-05-2019 7:32 PM


Sorry, just not able to be certain about it
Tried looking at links way back there and find most of it too hard on my eyes to do more than a quick skim, and when I see the usual chart with the right side way up there beyond the trend of the rest of the measurements I just feel bamboozled. Also looking at YouTube and may yet find more there. But when searching for the skeptics on You Tube mostly all I found was the criticisms OF the skeptics. Pretty sleazy it seems to me, totally dishonest. My trust in the world -- news, science, politics, experts, pundits --, has plummeted in recent years. Way it goes.
So the science is good, but what about the reports of the science? According to some certain sources are ignored, contrary views are ignored, and the political drive for climate change is very scary to a conservative, globalism, one world order. That alone makes the subject suspect to me.
I cannot judge any of this stuff but I rather resent being called a moron when there are so many out there who find fault with the scientific judgment it seems reasonable to consider that they might have something to say. Assessments of the causes of warming do differ for instance, so much of it having begun in the distant past that couldn't have been influenced by people for instance, different assessments of how much CO2 causes how much warming and so on.
Again, not that the science itself is wrong in any given study, but that there are different studies that show different effects. I'm not in a position to judge any of this but there is enough sheer pressure, urgent alarmist tone, calling opponents morons and selfish and so on, pressure to agree with the supposed science on the basis of authority alone and so on to keep me in the skeptic's camp.
It's the tone, the attitude, the political pressure that demeans the USA and favors tyrants in the rest of the world, the sneering contempt, the arm-flapping hysteria designed to intimidate others -- all that causes me to dig in ny heels. Also the pronouncements by average people in agreement with that side of it, who cannot possibly be in any position to judge it independently just as I am not, have the same sneering alarmist certainty anyway: why, I guess because it is Sciience and as far as it goes seems to hold together, and any suspicion that it leaves out important info is dismissed.
Moron I have to be it seems.
Whatever happens in the end, whether the skeptics prevent the sweeping measures the other side wants, or the globalists take over and force it on us at gunpoint, it's all going to happen from political motives, not any kind of rational basis.
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Faith 
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Message 498 of 762 (864096)
10-06-2019 7:49 PM
Reply to: Message 497 by Faith
10-05-2019 7:32 PM


Re: Sorry, just not able to be certain about it
Heard a radio talk on climate change by one of my favorite Christian teachers, documentary film maker Chris Pinto, who has a radio program mostly on political topics that I hadn't listened to in a LONG time, maybe as long as two years, although I used to listen frequently. Anyway I got an email from his ministry today mentioning that one of his most recent radio talks is on global warming: "Deceiving and Being Deceived." I copied out the URL but it doesn't work as I thought it probably wouldn't. Oh well.
He puts up the clip of Greta Thunberg, then Leonard Nimoy on the subject of the certainty of a coming ice age from back in 1979, then something from Leonardo DiCaprio at the UN and something from the first Earth Day in 1970. At the end he gets into the many failed predictions over the last few decades.
Mentions how all the climate change spokespeople travel in hugely expensive and carbon-spewing modes of transportation to their conferences and speeches on how the rest of us need to sacrifice our own carbon-emitting cars and other things. Yes, wouldn't you think the True Believers would at least try to set a good example if they are going to ask such a sacrifice of us?
And he emphasizes what I emphasize: this is a political totalitarian move to bring us all under a tyrannical One World Government in which the US is demoted to the level of third world.
The science really isn't very persuasive in such a context I'm afraid. Even if the more recent calculations are something we should take note of, the political environment makes it all untrustworthy. We already do a lot, the rest of the world does not, and we really would be crazy to submit to anything any of them has to say.
s3.media.squarespace.com/production/827989/9727427/GLOBAL.WARMING.ICE.AGE_10.03.2019.mp3?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAIGASFZJDTI4L3CAA&Signature=bKeWj3pGI%2Bqr98cXx5Wp%2FQC7eiY%3D&Expires=15 70403500
I can't get that one to go anywhere, but maybe this one will go to the list of programs:
http://www.noiseofthunderradio.com/...ng-deceived-10319.html
If all else fails, the radio talk is at Noise of Thunder Radio.com.
Yeah I love you madly AZ but you're pushing a dangerous line here.
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Faith 
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Message 500 of 762 (864137)
10-07-2019 9:38 AM
Reply to: Message 499 by AZPaul3
10-06-2019 10:49 PM


Re: Sorry, just not able to be certain about it
All the predictions have been wrong so far, no matter how reliable the science has seemed to be, and it's apparently pretty reliable these days according to you and others. No matter how good it is it's the unwavering record of failed predictions and the political aspect of it that makes it suspect. The US is supposed to get railroaded into giving up our sovereignty and freedom to third world tyrants because of the emotional speech of a teenage girl who has been brainwashed by unscrupulous adults, and the namecalling of science nuts like yourself. We're doing what we can, go harass the rest of the world.
I assume you are characterizing Chris Pinto in your opening sentence? Got it off some wacko website I suppose. You can see some of his documentaries at You Tube. That might be a better source of information about his point of view.
And I wouldn't call his radio talk "musiings." He plays audio clips of the people he refers to.
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Faith 
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Message 501 of 762 (864142)
10-07-2019 10:06 AM
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10-06-2019 10:49 PM


Re: Sorry, just not able to be certain about it
As far as my "dangerous line" goes the science is clear. The global temperatures are rising to unprecedented levels not seen by our species ever, our oceans are heating up even more then the atmosphere with sea levels that will flood all the world's coastal areas by the end of the century and even worse beyond, weather systems are being disrupted with ever more powerful storms, droughts and floods, our ecosystems are in danger of widespread collapse in the next 200 years with extinction level die offs over the next 500 years putting our own viability on this planet in jeopardy in this next few millennia.
At least you give a more reasonable time frame than the failed predictions of similar disasters have given. So there's time to try to do something. Go for it.

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Faith 
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Message 504 of 762 (864173)
10-07-2019 3:27 PM
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10-07-2019 11:19 AM


Re: Sorry, just not able to be certain about it
You actually watched "Hidden Faith of the Founding Fathers?" I'm surprised if so, he never makes a film that's less than three hours long. I was thinking of watching it again myself. He's good at mustering his evidence. I was shocked at first at what he supposedly concluded about the founders but as I recall he did a good job of proving it. Then because so many Christians complained that he made it sound as if America had no Christian foundations at all he did another film to show its Christian roots apart from the Founders. I don't think it's out yet.

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