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Author Topic:   R.C.Sprouls Teaching On Reformed Theology
ringo
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Message 127 of 175 (838887)
08-29-2018 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by Phat
08-29-2018 2:18 PM


Re: Who Do You Say That I am?
Phat writes:

The story did not end with a failed Messiah...


Yes it did. The story does quite literally end with Jesus as a failed Messiah (if He was ever even supposed to be one). There is nothing in the plain text to suggest that Jesus succeeded as a Messiah. Even the part that is added on by your fundie commentators leaves the success to some mythical "Second Coming".

Phat writes:

It's things that you say like this that cause me to dismiss your so-called plain reading of the text while having no concept of belief in the character described in the book except when it furthers your arguments.


I don't need any belief to be able to read. You, on the other hand, have to park your reading ability at the door in order to swallow the rubbish that your commentators are feeding you.

Feel free to dismiss the text if you must - but remember that without the text there would be no Jesus for you to believe in.

Edited by ringo, : Format
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And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 129 of 175 (838922)
08-30-2018 3:02 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by Phat
08-30-2018 2:41 PM


Re: Who Do You Say That I am?
Phat writes:

Some believe that Jesus was in the beginning with God...long before any books even existed. You are portraying Him simply as a character within a book.


Without the book, how would you ever have heard of him? What "other way" do you suggest?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 132 of 175 (838938)
08-30-2018 5:08 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by Phat
08-30-2018 3:12 PM


Re: thRe: Who Do You Say That I am?
Phat writes:

the same way the authors of the stories heard of Him.


In the streets of Jerusalem 2000 years ago? How are you going to pull that off?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 135 of 175 (838969)
08-31-2018 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 133 by Phat
08-30-2018 8:08 PM


Re: Who Do You Say That I am?
Phat writes:

Your entire mental thought process requires hard evidence before you even entertain the idea of belief.


This is another thing that I can keep repeating as long as you keep getting it wrong. We should always, always, always require hard evidence before even entertaining the possibility of belief. That includes you. Otherwise you'll believe every UFO and Bigfoot and bat-baby story you hear.

Phat writes:

Since you have yet to find satisfactory evidence for a God or for Jesus being a living Spirit today, you resort to the only evidence you have...the book which describes it all (except for later added dogma) and you limit any possibility of belief by the common error of "putting God in a box" or book, as it were.


It isn't "resorting" to the book. You need to understand that the book is the only real source that you have for your belief. In Message 129 I asked you how else you would even know anything about Jesus. In Message 130 you said you'd use the same method as the authors of the book. But they were there. At least they heard the stories second-hand and third-hand from people who were there. You are not hearing the stories twentieth and thirtieth hand from people who were there. You're only hearing them from the book.

So don't be so quick to throw the book away just because you don't like what it says.

Phat writes:

I can see why your arguments are framed the way that they are.


Clearly not. You keep getting it wrong every time.

Phat writes:

Socialism without woo is worse than the gulag, I swear.


That's just a really stupid thing to say. You should apologise for wasting my time with that.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 149 of 175 (864164)
10-07-2019 1:09 PM
Reply to: Message 143 by Faith
10-07-2019 9:49 AM


Re: Another Critic of Calvinism.
Faith writes:

Or if they identify as a Christian?


quote:
Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
"Identifying as a Christian" is separate from being accepted by Christ. A bricklayer can identify as a mason without being accepted by any Masonic Lodge.

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ringo
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Message 161 of 175 (864191)
10-07-2019 4:41 PM
Reply to: Message 157 by Phat
10-07-2019 3:40 PM


Re: The Internet Is A Modern Tower Of Babel
Phat writes:

Should we throw God away? Nowhere does Jesus even hint at this heresy.


Really? Take a look at The Day Jesus Threw God Out of Church (Full disclosure: I have no idea who this Steve McSwain is.)

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ringo
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Message 163 of 175 (864193)
10-07-2019 4:49 PM
Reply to: Message 162 by Phat
10-07-2019 4:45 PM


Re: The Internet Is A Modern Tower Of Babel
Phat writes:

It seems, rather, that Jesus threw people out of the church. Not His Father.


It seems to me he was talking about freeing God from the Church - i.e. throwing away the stories about God that are made up by the Church.

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Message 169 of 175 (864223)
10-08-2019 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 166 by Phat
10-08-2019 5:49 AM


Re: The Internet Is A Modern Tower Of Babel
Phat writes:

And in case any of you are demanding that God fix what's broken, I believe that He already gave us the brains to do so.


But He didn't give us permission to use our brains. Your theology requires parking our brains at the door and having faith in God to do things for us.

Phat writes:

What we collectively lack is a sacrificial heart.


Speak for yourself.

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