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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Dr.
DrJones writes: don't play stupid, he repeatedly asked the Ukrainian government to investigate Joe Biden and his son. Can you quote me pages and paragraphs if Trump repeatedly asked the Ukrainian government to investigate Joe Biden and his son? I will see if I can help you a little bit. The following is quoted directly from the original transcript. I added the underline to draw attention to certain portions.
quote: The President: Good because I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair. A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved. Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor of New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General. Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States, the woman, was bad news and the people she was dealing with in the Ukraine were bad news so I just want to let you know that. The other thing, there's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me. The first section I underlined is where President Zelenskyy is stating he is thankful for the US help with the Russian sanctions. The second is where President Trump mentions Biden's son. The third is where President Trump mentiones Biden going around bragging about he stopped the prosecutor as he was fired. If I remember correctly Biden gave the Ukraine government until his flight left to fire the prosecutor or they would not get the billion+dollars. In the entire transcript I can not find any other mention of Hunter Biden or Joe Biden. Maybe my eyesight is getting bad and I missed where President Trump asked President Zelenskyy to dig up dirt on anyone multiple times. God Bless"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Today's Washington Examiner reports that Senate report criticizes Obama FBI response to Russian interference on Twitter and Facebook. That's a long stretch no matter how you look at it. The article begins:
quote: Incredibly, the Examiner article leads with information from page 73 (out of 85 total pages) of the Senate report (Report of the Select Committee on Intelligence, United States Senate, on Russian Active Measures Campaigns and Interference in the 2016 U.S. Election, Volume 2: Russia's Use of Social Media With Additional Views), where the report faults the FBI for using contractors and for not being more proactive in working with Facebook and Twitter. Here's what the report actually had to say. Every paragraph seems to begin with a parenthesized bold "U" - very weird, but I included it:
quote: The Examiner evidently read the report from back to front because not until the end of their article do they summarize the report's findings, which began on page 4. There were some redactions, but here are the report's important points:
quote: There are more items, but I'll stop there. The important point is that the Washington Examiner played down these significant findings that were stated right at the top of the the report, that the Russians assisted Trump and hurt Clinton in the 2016 presidential election. It's ironic that Trump's obsession with proving that he won the 2016 election on his own merits and with no help from anyone is likely to get him impeached. This obsession is driving his efforts to force the Ukraine to dig up dirt supporting his conspiracy theory that it was actually the Ukraine that interfered in the 2016 election on the side of Hillary Clinton through the efforts of Joe Biden and his son Hunter working through Ukrainian gas company Burisma Holdings. --Percy
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5947 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Every paragraph seems to begin with a parenthesized bold "U" - very weird, but I included it: That "(U)" indicates the classification level of that paragraph. Classified documents are required to be marked with their classification level. That parts that are to be marked are:
The levels of classification are:
There are additional qualifiers (eg, NOFORN for "no foreign access") which further determine how that classified material must be handled. Don't forget to sign the muster sheet to show that you've received your annual security refresher training.
Sea story:After I was discharged from the Air Force, I affiliated with the Navy Reserve. As an OSVET (other-service veteran), I was required to complete the rate training manual (RTM) correspondence courses. Mine (DS -- Data Systems Technician) came in two volumes: Vol 1 with 230 pages and Vol 2 with 87 pages. One of my ratings duties was to maintain the Naval Tactical Data System (NTDS), which was classified. There were about a dozen pages in Vol 1 that contained one to four paragraphs that were marked (C), so the entire page they were on was also marked (C). As a result, the entire RTM was classified confidential -- even though Murphy was an Air Force officer, his Murphy's Law is also applicable in the Navy, so of course it had to be the thick RTM that was classified. Because of the required handling, I was not allowed to take that RTM home to work on. Instead, I had to take a week of vacation from work just so that I could commute 30 miles to base and sit all day in PSD (Personnel Support Detachment, the controlling office for this classified) doing that course. Shortly after that I took the advancement exam based on that material and I made DS1 (E6) first time.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dwisw1 writes:
I used to work at the RCMP Training Academy and the RCMP used to handle counter-intelligence before the civilian agency CSIS was formed. Once I came across an envellope the had checkboxes for: The levels of classification are:(U) -- unclassified (C) -- confidential (S) -- secret (T) -- top secret
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Taq Member Posts: 10038 Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Faith writes: But it doesn't matter to me. Biden said what he said, I don't care where he said it. Why do you care that Biden withheld aid to Ukraine until they fired the prosecutor? Biden was standing by our allies when he did that. The entire G-7 and the International Monetary Fund was calling for his resignation because Shokin was absolutely corrupt and in Russia's pocket.
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Taq Member Posts: 10038 Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
ICANT writes: The third is where President Trump mentiones Biden going around bragging about he stopped the prosecutor as he was fired. If I remember correctly Biden gave the Ukraine government until his flight left to fire the prosecutor or they would not get the billion+dollars. Biden was entirely in his right to brag about it because he scored a major victory for the US and our European allies when he got Shokin fired. Read my post above.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Taq
Taq writes: Biden was entirely in his right to brag about it because he scored a major victory for the US and our European allies when he got Shokin fired. Read my post above. You been drinking too much of the cool aid. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Hunter Biden according to the New York Times was hired by Bursma in December 2015 which was just weeks after President Obama asked Joe Biden to oversee U.S., Ukraine relations. At the time Bursima was having problems with the law. On March 29, 2016 Shokin was fired at the demand of Joe Biden with the result of that firing not taking place meaning the Ukraine would not get 1+ billion dollars, in aid. John Buretta who had been hired to help Bursima with their legal problems tried to speak to Yuriy Sevruk who had been appointed temporary prosecutor general the same day Shokin was fired. He got that meeting on April 6, 2016 but Yuri Lutsenko was appointed prosecutor general. In January of 2017 the case Shokin was prosecuting was settled for a few million dollars in fines for alleged tax issues. Now I don't know anything about political business, but I do know a little about business. So if I had been in Burisma shoe's and under investigation I would have take out an insurance policy if one was available to me. It seems they had one available as President Obama appointed his vice president Joe Biden to be over the U.S., Ukranian relations. A few weeks later Hunter Biden was hired by Burisma. Later the prosecutor general was fired at the demand of Joe Biden with the result of a prosecutor who shortly thereafter settled the case out of court for a few million dollars. Sounds like a very good business investment to me with a great return on investment. But then what do I know? I just heard somewhere on this site that all you have to do is follow the evidence to reach the proper decision. God Bless"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Taq Member Posts: 10038 Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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ICANT writes: On March 29, 2016 Shokin was fired at the demand of Joe Biden with the result of that firing not taking place meaning the Ukraine would not get 1+ billion dollars, in aid. Whose idea was it to fire Shokin? Did it have support from Congress and our allies? Was their cause for Shokin to be removed? Do you really think that it was just Joe Biden calling for Shokin to be removed? Now, ask the same thing about Trump firing Comey. Who was Jim Comey investigating? His campaign, which includes some of his children. Who was the person who wanted Comey fired? Trump. Why did Trump say he fired Comey? Because of the investigation into his campaign, which includes his children. Whose the corrupt one?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Heard on the radio this morning -- that's all, just something I heard so don't demand evidence yet please -- that the prosecutor in the Ukraine has come out and said that it was Biden who got him fired and although he has been called corrupt that's a lie, he was investigating corruption.
Oh, and the whole Mueller investigation was a hoax and Comey knew it, and it's probably going to come out eventually that he committed crimes himself in bringing it about.. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Taq
Taq writes: Do you really think that it was just Joe Biden calling for Shokin to be removed? I don't see where anyone gave them an ultimatum that they had 6 hours to fire the prosecutor or lose over a billion dollars in aid.
Taq writes: Now, ask the same thing about Trump firing Comey. Who was Jim Comey investigating? If I remember correctly all the Dems were asking Trump to fire Comey as he was investigating Hillary Clinton. The investigation Comey was running was into the phony Russian Collusion against the Trump administration. We know now that firing was justified. On the other hand the firing of Shokin resulted in the prosecution Shokin was conducting being turned over to a prosecutor that settled the case for a so called tax liability and them being fined a few million dollars. That settlement and other things surrounding it has been under investigation for several months. Which was taking place before the conversation of which we have the transcript took place.
Taq writes: Whose the corrupt one? You do know that Trump did not have to have any reason to fire Comey, don't you. Every person that is hired by the president or former president to work in his administration can be fired simply because the President got up on the wrong side of the bed or for no reason at all. Comey said he served at the pleasure of the President. At least he knew that much. God Bless"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Re: Trump Bashing Thread, Message 3466
That was obviously a Democrat plant, fake news, why do you all believe such nonsense? Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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JoeT Junior Member (Idle past 1606 days) Posts: 8 Joined:
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Why would you say that? Multiple people who were there confirmed the contents of the video. Organizers of the conference confirmed that the video was shown. The whitehouse has confirmed the contents of the video and Trump's spokesman has denounced the video. Nobody is saying the republican party put together the video, or that the Trump campaign put together the video or that Trump had anything to do with the video. But the truth is, that at a conference for Trump supporters, somebody thought it appropriate to show a video of Trump shooting up a church where the victims were prominent newspeople, democrats and other critics of the president.
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Taq Member Posts: 10038 Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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ICANT writes: I don't see where anyone gave them an ultimatum that they had 6 hours to fire the prosecutor or lose over a billion dollars in aid. You ducked the question. Do you really think that it was just Joe Biden calling for Shokin to be removed?
The investigation Comey was running was into the phony Russian Collusion against the Trump administration. We know now that firing was justified. So all Joe Biden has to do is say that any investigation into the company Hunter Biden was phony, and you you'll be ok with it?
You do know that Trump did not have to have any reason to fire Comey, don't you. Trump stated in a TV inteview that he fired Comey because of the Russia investigation. "On May 11 Trump told Lester Holt in an NBC News interview, "When I decided [to fire Comey], I said to myself, I said, 'You know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made up story",[13] while reiterating his belief that there was no proof Russia was behind any election interference.[65][66] "--President TrumpDismissal of James Comey - Wikipedia Edited by Admin, : Fix quote.
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Taq Member Posts: 10038 Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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Faith writes: Heard on the radio this morning -- that's all, just something I heard so don't demand evidence yet please -- that the prosecutor in the Ukraine has come out and said that it was Biden who got him fired and although he has been called corrupt that's a lie, he was investigating corruption. Shokin was fired because he refused to investigate corruption.
quote: Oh, and the whole Mueller investigation was a hoax and Comey knew it, and it's probably going to come out eventually that he committed crimes himself in bringing it about. Ask Paul Manafort if it's a hoax. People don't go to jail for hoaxes. Also, what about those 12 Russians who have been indicted for interfering in our elections? Just a hoax?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Choice between your sources and mine I go with mine.
And the Mueller investigation found some stuff to prosecute totally unrelated to its reason for existing. The whole thing about finding something to pin on Trump, the whole thing about Russian collusion by Trump or his campaign team, was a big fat indefensible and probably illegal fishing expedition and there are people connected to it who should be prosecuted but in the Democrats' current condition of third world/Fascist-Communist type corruption probably won't be.
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