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JonF
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Message 3391 of 3465 (864281)
10-09-2019 3:37 PM
Reply to: Message 3390 by Taq
10-09-2019 3:22 PM


Re: Rolled?
Yeah, used to be a world leader

BUSTED: Turkish official says Trump knew ‘precisely’ what Erdogan planned to do with Syria invasion

quote:
Gulnur Aybet, a senior adviser to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, has told CNN that President Donald Trump knew “precisely” what his government had planned with its invasion of northern Syria.

Per CNN’s Jim Sciutto, Aybet told reporter Christiane Amanpour that “President Trump and President Erdoğan have reached an understanding over precisely what this operation is,” referring to the Turkish military’s incursion into northern Syria.

Aybet then went on to say that Trump and Erdoğan are planning to meet next month to discuss further details of the operation, including what to do about captured Islamic State fighters that remain in northern Syria.



I believe it. It's classic Trumpishness.

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Message 3392 of 3465 (864284)
10-09-2019 3:48 PM
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10-09-2019 3:37 PM


Re: Rolled?
JonF writes:

Yeah, used to be a world leader

It saddens me to agree with you.


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Message 3393 of 3465 (864289)
10-09-2019 4:37 PM
Reply to: Message 3390 by Taq
10-09-2019 3:22 PM


Why we need to teach history in schools again.
This thread brings up yet more evidence that the US Education system is fundamentally flawed.

Why aren't Americans aware of the Armenian Massacres by the Young Turk government?

Why aren't Americans aware of all the times we've screwed the Kurds over the last 100 years?

Why aren't Americans aware that the US has used troops as a trip wire, successfully, to prevent major wars; most recently through the deployment of troops in the Fulda Gap during the Cold War?

Edited by jar, : appalin spallin


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Message 3394 of 3465 (864317)
10-10-2019 11:56 AM
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10-09-2019 11:44 AM


Re: Rolled?
Hi Dr

DrJones writes:

ISIS hasn't been removed from the area. There are ~15000 prisoners (fighters/ sympathizers) being held by the Kurds in camps. Do you think the Kurds are going to continue to hold onto them while also fighting off the Turks?

The Kurds have just spent a lot of time, energy and lives putting those iss fighters in prison. Why would they turn them loose? The Turks are to be responsible for those prisoners so why not work with the Turks like they did with the US?

Maybe they can't do that as they have had a running war with Turkey for the past 35+ years. They need to solve their problems. We can not solve their problems for them.

God Bless


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 3395 of 3465 (864318)
10-10-2019 12:11 PM
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10-09-2019 12:24 PM


Re: Rolled?
Hi Jon

JonF writes:

The Kurds took on the responsibility for eliminating ISIS from the area. They were our allies. Until Trump fucked them over.

I gather you would rather be at war with Turkey. Which would ask Nato to come to it's support placing us at war with Nato. But we are members of Nato that has we are committed to defend in time of an attack.

What would be your decision is such a case?

Would you go to war with Turkey and Nato?

Turkey determined it was in their best interest to create a buffer zone between Turkey and Syria in which to settle the millions of Syrians refugees that are now in Turkey.

God Bless


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 3396 of 3465 (864319)
10-10-2019 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 3389 by Taq
10-09-2019 3:17 PM


Re: Rolled?
Hi Taq

Taq writes:

It's hard to recruit allies when you are willing to abandon them in order to save your own troops. In case you forgot, the US used to consider itself courageous. I guess that has changed with this new president.

So you vote we go to war with Turkey and the rest of Nato.

All the Nato members are pledged to come to the defense of any member that is attacked.

How would you like to be in the position of making the decision that had to be made?

It is easy to sit on the sidelines and second guess the decision.

Options:

Go to war with Nato members.
OR
Allow Turkey to finish creating the safe zone buffer in Northern Syria.

What is your choice?

God Bless


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 3397 of 3465 (864321)
10-10-2019 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 3394 by ICANT
10-10-2019 11:56 AM


Re: Rolled?
Why would they turn them loose?

cause they need the manpower to fight the Turks/evacuate their own people.

The Turks are to be responsible for those prisoners so why not work with the Turks like they did with the US

cause the Turks are coming to kill the Kurds, that's like asking the Jewish people of Europe to cooperate with the Nazis.

We can not solve their problems for them.

but you can stand by and let them get slaughtered after they fought for you. So brave, so honorable.

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soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
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ICANT
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Message 3398 of 3465 (864322)
10-10-2019 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 3390 by Taq
10-09-2019 3:22 PM


Re: Rolled?
Hi Taq

Taq writes:

The moment we took them on as allies. It saddens me that this has to be explained to you.

How about explaining to me when we ceased being allies of Turkey who we are committed to defend.

Taq writes:

Turkey has wanted to wipe out the Kurds for a long time. This isn't about a safe zone. This is about attacking the Kurds. If they want a safe zone, then they should build one in their own country.

Why should they build a safe zone in Turkey to build settlements in which to house 2 million+ Syrians that are refugees in Turkey?

If they did that they would have to make them citizens of Turkey. So they want to build the settlements in Syria which they are citizens.

Taq writes:

It seems that you also forgot that the US used to be a leader in the world.

No I have not forgotten that we used to be leaders in the world.

But in the last 50 years we have ceased to be leaders and become a bully that has been trying to force our views on other countries.

Thus we have been in endless wars since the Korean conflict, and have not won one of them.

It seems we have tried to become the old Roman Empire or Babylonian Empire. It did not work out too well for them as neither exist today.

God Bless.


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Taq
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Message 3399 of 3465 (864323)
10-10-2019 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 3396 by ICANT
10-10-2019 12:28 PM


Re: Rolled?
ICANT writes:

So you vote we go to war with Turkey and the rest of Nato.

If the troops were kept where they were we wouldn't need to consider that option.

Why is this so difficult for you to understand?

Edited by Taq, : No reason given.


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Taq
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Message 3400 of 3465 (864324)
10-10-2019 12:52 PM
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10-10-2019 12:47 PM


Re: Rolled?
ICANT writes:

How about explaining to me when we ceased being allies of Turkey who we are committed to defend.

We are their allies, so we would defend them from a Kurdish invasion. The Kurds are also our allies, so they would not invade Turkey.

Why should they build a safe zone in Turkey to build settlements in which to house 2 million+ Syrians that are refugees in Turkey?

That is what a good government and good neighbor would do.

But in the last 50 years we have ceased to be leaders and become a bully that has been trying to force our views on other countries.

Were we forcing our views on the Kurds? Do you disagree with the Kurdish led and US supported war on ISIS?


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DrJones*
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Message 3401 of 3465 (864326)
10-10-2019 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 3396 by ICANT
10-10-2019 12:28 PM


Re: Rolled?
Go to war with Nato members.
OR
Allow Turkey to finish creating the safe zone buffer in Northern Syria.

What is your choice?


leave the troops there as a tripwire. Don't greenlight a turkish assault without consulting military and diplomatic subject matter experts. Actually consult said experts and take the time to try to negotiate a solution instead of just leaving the Kurds to their fate (again). trump is supposed to be some kind of master dealmaker but his solution is to just turn tail and let the Kurds die instead of risking his Turkish business deals.

Hillary Clinton brought this up back in 2016.

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/776097265270292480

Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.


It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Message 3402 of 3465 (864327)
10-10-2019 1:14 PM
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10-10-2019 1:04 PM


Re: Rolled?
trump is supposed to be some kind of master dealmaker but his solution is to just turn tail and let the Kurds die instead of risking his Turkish business deals.

This cowardice will forever be known as the TRUMP MASSACRE. He wants his fucking name on things...he can own this!


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JonF
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Message 3403 of 3465 (864328)
10-10-2019 1:17 PM
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10-10-2019 11:56 AM


Re: Rolled?
They solved our problems for us. We owe them.

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JonF
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Message 3404 of 3465 (864329)
10-10-2019 1:21 PM
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10-10-2019 12:11 PM


Re: Rolled?
I gather you would rather be at war with Turkey.

That's just your fantasy.

Turkey determined it was in their best interest to create a buffer zone between Turkey and Syria in which to settle the millions of Syrians refugees that are now in Turkey and wipe out the Kurds who fought and died for us.

FIFY.

Do you unquestioningly support any decision that Turkey makes?

Edited by JonF, : No reason given.


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JonF
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Message 3405 of 3465 (864330)
10-10-2019 1:25 PM
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10-10-2019 12:47 PM


Re: Rolled?
Alliance with the Kurds and alliance with NATO/Turkey are not incompatible.

The binary thinking that makes them unable to conceive of more than two opposite possibilities seems to be a distinguishing characteristic of RWNJs.


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