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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Evidence in such a case isn't just a matter of a quote here and there, you really have to get into the history of the situation. I can perhaps find a few quotes for you nevertheless but it will have to be later. Meanwhile perhaps this will suffice. Yeah I know you don't do videos. Few here do. Oh well.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Here's a page from my blog on the subject. I can barely read it any more but I think there must be something there of interest. I see my post promises some quotes from Burgon, but the right margin also has some references. Sorry if it's not sufficient for your requirements..
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
This is another of Chris Pinto's documentaries, I think the first in his series about the American founding: The New Atlantis. In this one he traces the idea that America was consciously pursued by some, particularly Francis Bacon, as the fulfillment of ideas of a world power based on the principles of Atlantis, first described by Plato and then particularly by Bacon. The film shows Bacon's influence in many areas, starting of course with empirical science, but also secret societies such as Freemasonry and the Rosicrucians.
But all I want right now is to ask to what extent Bacon is regarded as the father of modern science, empirical science, which the film presents him to have been. .. And in case anyone is interested in the film, here it is:
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Apparently the idea is held in various secret societies that consider Bacon to be their founder.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The better word would probably be "experimental science." The context in which Bacon's view was discussed was the scholasticism of his time in which everything was debate and speculation without observation or experiment.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Your own post is nothing but opinion and some nastiness as well and since tou give no clue what exactly you are talking about as usual I just find it utterly useless. You really are the master of empty namecalling though you seem to think you are actually saying something substantive.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yes I know you were responding to my blog post, but since I couldn't read it and it was written a long time ago your comments are pure mystification. No need to answer.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Ignortant statements can sure get a lot of Cheers around here, from equally ignorant people who don't know you are just bloviating. Pinto9 produces historical documents full of the actual words of the people he's talking about. Your comment is based on sheer ignorance as is everybody else's here who refuses to see the documentaries. So he throws in the opinion that Bacon was considered the "father of experimkental science" or something like that, so what? Most of the discussion comes from historical facts, Bacon's own life, etc.
As for the post by PaulK that you are answering it isn't about Pinto at all, it's his reaction to my blog on the Bible controversy. Are you proud of your false propaganda? Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Fortunately I could not care less about your opinion on any subject, but the point here is that WHAT YOU SAID DOES NOT APPLY TO PINTO.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yes of course he quotes them all directly. It's a three-hour film PK, I'm not going to watch it all again just to prove something to you. Let your utterly ignorant statements reign since you don't want to take anything I say seriously.
In Washington's case, however, it isn't in his writings, it's in the fact that he refused to take Communion in Church, and when called on it he then stopped going to church altogether on Communion Sunday. This is attested in many quotes from pastors and others who knew him, including his own stepdaughter. One of the pastors declared flatly that Washington was a Deist. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
He quotes someone else on the subject of Washington's writing of that article. He also addresses the fact that Christians try to pretend it doesn't mean what it says. He points out that nobody in the Congress objected to the statement at all.
The way such a statement is anti-Christian, however, is in the fact that God forbids the worship of any god but himself, though the Founders Pinto focuses on and that treaty and other documents promote such syncretistic worship. The example that bugs me the most personally isn't from the founding era, it's the fact that our National Cathedral is used for all religions. This is a complete blasphemy according to the Bible. Certainly underscores that we are not a Christian nation even if you think a more direct statement would bee needed to prove an ANTI-Christian bias. I don't think that myself of course, and Pinto's film is aimed at the likes of me, not you. AbE: Just remembered that I think Washington was quoted on how the First Amendment protected all religions, in such a way that it was clear that he personally put them all on an equal plane. Thanks to that amendment Islam can rise to power in this nation, install Sharia Law over the Constitution and persecute all other religions. Give it time, it's coming. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The way such a statement is anti-Christian, however, is in the fact that God forbids the worship of any god but himself... And therefore Christians are required to go to war to suppress all other religions ? Is that it ? Because I don’t see any other connection between your assertion and the text Then you are utterly misled. Promoting syncretistic worship, making all religions equal, is far more than the mere tolerance of all religions. Christianity does not go out to conquer and subdue anyone. The point here is what point of view is going to be the foundation of a nation, nothing else, and unlike Islam, Christianity is tolerant of all other points of view. Tolerant does not mean in agreement with, does not mean it treats them as equal, just allows them to do their own thing insofar as it is peaceable. One tolerates what one does not accept. And that's why Christianity should be acknowledged as the religion of the nation. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You are a major pain. Saying we are a Christian nation should not foster war. Perhaps Islam would go to war with us for that reason but from the Christian point of view no.
You keep misrepresenting everything I say, so I suppose you would do the same with Pinto if you saw the film. I get tired of the lies here. This conversation is over.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Phat/Thugs: you are attributing to me what PaulK said. Please be more careful. I haven't read the rest of your post because that part caught my eye.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I never ever ever mistake Catholicism for Christianity which is what you are doing. The Inquisition killed true Christians, they are Antichrist they are not Christianity.
You also fail to note that everything I've said supports the idea that the US is NOT a Christian nation. I think we'd do better if it were but it is not. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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