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jar
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Message 3406 of 4573 (864333)
10-10-2019 1:54 PM
Reply to: Message 3400 by Taq
10-10-2019 12:52 PM


Re: Rolled?
One of the basics of NATO is an agreement to stand together against any nation that attempts to annex territory by force.

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Message 3407 of 4573 (864345)
10-10-2019 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 3404 by JonF
10-10-2019 1:21 PM


Re: Rolled?
JonF writes:
Do you unquestioningly support any decision that Turkey makes?
You misspelled "Trump".
The Cult of Trump is shocking to watch. It strips people of any moral or ethical sense, just as all good cults do.

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Message 3408 of 4573 (864346)
10-10-2019 3:46 PM
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10-10-2019 1:54 PM


Re: Rolled?
jar writes:
One of the basics of NATO is an agreement to stand together against any nation that attempts to annex territory by force.
Exactly. Turkey could have talked to fellow NATO allies and set up a defense force to protect Turkey's southern border, but they didn't. It's all too obvious that they want to aggressively attack Kurds, and don't want other people in the way. The WH knew this, too. By pulling our troops out of N. Syria we signed the Kurds death certificates.

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Message 3409 of 4573 (864348)
10-10-2019 3:57 PM
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10-10-2019 3:44 PM


Re: Rolled?
Well, yes, but I was referring to ICant's "Turkey determined it was in their best interest to create a buffer zone."

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jar
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Message 3410 of 4573 (864354)
10-10-2019 4:14 PM
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10-10-2019 3:57 PM


Where is the buffer zone?
"Not in MY neighborhood" saith Turkey. "Let's put it in YOUR neighborhood" saith Turkey.
NOTE: the buffer zone is to be land taken from Syria that is the home to the Syrian Kurds.

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ICANT
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Message 3411 of 4573 (864392)
10-10-2019 11:27 PM
Reply to: Message 3397 by DrJones*
10-10-2019 12:40 PM


Re: Rolled?
Hi Dr
DrJones writes:
cause they need the manpower to fight the Turks/evacuate their own people.
Let me think about this. The Kurds have been guarding these captured prisoners for many months and maybe even years for some.
They are going to release them and hand them a AK47, and ammunition and say come fight with us?
Now that really sounds like a great deal for the ISS fighters.
DrJones writes:
but you can stand by and let them get slaughtered after they fought for you. So brave, so honorable.
I know the turks and kurds have been killing each other for the last 40+ years and possibly all the way back for 3,000 years. They just took breaks now and then.
So it was either leave them to resume their fighting or go to war against Nato.
Do you have a better solution?
God Bless

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Message 3412 of 4573 (864394)
10-11-2019 12:06 AM
Reply to: Message 3405 by JonF
10-10-2019 1:25 PM


Re: Rolled?
Hi Jon
JonF writes:
Alliance with the Kurds and alliance with NATO/Turkey are not incompatible.
Since the Kurds and Turkey have been at war with each other for the past 40+ years how are they compatible?
They could get together and make peace but that would mean abandoning a family feud. Not a chance
God Bless

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Message 3413 of 4573 (864395)
10-11-2019 12:12 AM
Reply to: Message 3411 by ICANT
10-10-2019 11:27 PM


Re: Rolled?
They are going to release them and hand them a AK47, and ammunition and say come fight with us?
no they (the kurds) are going to stop guarding the camps and go to fight the Turks. How long do the think the camps will remain secure once the guards leave? The ISIS fighters will regroup and return to their ways.
So it was either leave them to resume their fighting or go to war against Nato.
false dichotomy.
Do you have a better solution?
I mentioned it in a previous post: Don't tell Turkey it's ok to invade the Kurdish areas. Leave the troops there as a trip wire force. Take the time to actually consult with the military and diplomatic people who know things and try to work out a deal. Trump is supposed to be a great negotiator but his solution to this problem is to walk away and let the turks slaughter the kurds after they did most of the dirty work fighting ISIS.

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Message 3414 of 4573 (864396)
10-11-2019 12:43 AM
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10-11-2019 12:12 AM


Re: Rolled?
Hi Dr
DrJones writes:
Leave the troops there as a trip wire force.
And just how many hundred years would you suggest we prepare to keep troops there?
God Bless

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JonF
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Message 3415 of 4573 (864399)
10-11-2019 5:22 AM
Reply to: Message 3411 by ICANT
10-10-2019 11:27 PM


Re: Rolled?
They are going to release them and hand them a AK47, and ammunition and say come fight with us?
Wow, you have very limited intellectual capacity.
They are going to take the guards away to fight for their lives and abandon the ISIS fighters to do as they will.
So it was either leave them to resume their fighting or go to war against Nato.
False dichotomy.
Do you have a better solution?
Yes. Continue to support them.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 3416 of 4573 (864400)
10-11-2019 5:23 AM
Reply to: Message 3412 by ICANT
10-11-2019 12:06 AM


Re: Rolled?
Since the Kurds and Turkey have been at war with each other for the past 40+ years how are they compatible?
You really can't see how we can work with both?
What have we been doing?
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Message 3417 of 4573 (864401)
10-11-2019 5:24 AM
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10-11-2019 12:43 AM


Re: Rolled?
And just how many hundred years would you suggest we prepare to keep troops there?
As long as we do for our other allies, and maybe longer.

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Message 3418 of 4573 (864403)
10-11-2019 7:40 AM


Abiy Ahmed Wins Nobel Peace Prize
I'd like to be the first to offer my condolences to President Trump for being bested in his quest for the Nobel Peace Prize by Abiy Ahmed, the Ethiopian prime minister who ended the standoff with Eritrea. How could this single measly accomplishment have outshone:
  • Weakening and destabilizing the western alliance.
  • Dropping out of the nuclear pact with Iraq and increasing sanctions, causing them to restart their nuclear program and simultaneously destabilizing the Persian Gulf region (seizing oil tankers, bombing oil facilities, etc.).
  • Encouraging dictators around the world, especially in North Korea, Russia and China.
  • Ending the North Korean nuclear threat - not!
  • Abandoning the Kurds in Syria/Iraq.
  • Attempting to enlist other countries in assisting his personal political aspirations.
  • This space intentionally left blank for an upcoming inevitable misdeed.
  • This space intentionally left blank for an upcoming inevitable misdeed.
  • This space intentionally left blank for an upcoming inevitable misdeed.
  • ...etc...
--Percy

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Message 3419 of 4573 (864411)
10-11-2019 9:00 AM
Reply to: Message 3418 by Percy
10-11-2019 7:40 AM


Re: Abiy Ahmed Wins Nobel Peace Prize
  • This space intentionally left blank for an upcoming inevitable misdeed.
  • This space intentionally left blank for an upcoming inevitable misdeed.
  • This space intentionally left blank for an upcoming inevitable misdeed.
  • ...etc...
One thing you can hand to Trump is that he never just sits back and rest on his laurels.
He continually strives to come up with ever more egregious misdeeds, each one even worse than the last.
Edited by dwise1, : Minor grammatical correction

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Message 3420 of 4573 (864416)
10-11-2019 9:35 AM
Reply to: Message 3419 by dwise1
10-11-2019 9:00 AM


Re: Abiy Ahmed Wins Nobel Peace Prize
True. His supporters would be disappointed if he didn't. If he did something decent, he'd become part of The Evil Establishment, and not One Of Us.

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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