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ringo
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Message 46 of 214 (864433)
10-11-2019 11:52 AM
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10-11-2019 11:42 AM


Re: There is voluminous research from top government agencies and people.
Phat writes:
Does anyone have any explanation for how this occurred?
Wikipedia does.

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Message 47 of 214 (864434)
10-11-2019 11:52 AM
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10-11-2019 11:42 AM


Re: There is voluminous research from top government agencies and people.
A human did it. Once the person is caught we may get a clue why.

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Message 48 of 214 (864435)
10-11-2019 11:53 AM
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10-11-2019 11:50 AM


Re: There is voluminous research from top government agencies and people.
Wut? I don't even know where to begin.

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 49 of 214 (864436)
10-11-2019 11:55 AM
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10-11-2019 11:42 AM


Re: There is voluminous research from top government agencies and people.
quote:
Check this out from NPR, usually a credible news source:
'Not One Drop Of Blood': Cattle Mysteriously Mutilated In Oregon
Does anyone have any explanation for how this occurred?
I remember reading an article (from Steve Quayle?) from a fundamentalist Christian, and he/she used cattle mutilations as evidence that the UFOs are "evil".
It was odd to see the death of a rancher's livestock described as "evil".
(Stop and think a moment)

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 50 of 214 (864437)
10-11-2019 11:57 AM
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10-11-2019 11:53 AM


Re: There is voluminous research from top government agencies and people.
quote:
Wut? I don't even know where to begin.
So what is the "evil" part you are so concerned about?
Compared to what "good", exactly?
What is the big conspiracy?

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Message 51 of 214 (864441)
10-11-2019 12:13 PM


For Faith. What do you think of this article?
Exo-Vaticana 0
Here are parts:
quote:
DNA Harvesting, Genetic Manipulation and the Seed of the Serpent
When former Christian college professor and BBC correspondent, Dr. I.D.E. Thomas, in his highly recommended book, The Omega Conspiracy, chronicled the burgeoning of so-called alien abduction activity in the 1980s, he made similar enlightening connections between the alien-abduction phenomenon and end-time prophecy concerning a return of Nephilim, something other writers have since built upon.
Documentation by abductees worldwide and the stories of DNA harvesting by aliens reminded him of the history of biological misuse by the Watchers.
Dr. Thomas told us personally that the special desire by the aliens for human and animal molecular matter could explain why animals have been killed, mutilated, and stolen by the aliens, a point Valle repeated in his book, The Invisible College: What a Group of Scientists Has Discovered About UFO Influences on the Human Race, when he wrote:
In order to materialize and take definite form, these entities seem to require a source of energya living thinga human medium
Our sciences have not reached a point where they can offer us any kind of working hypothesis for this process. But we can speculate that these beings need living energy which they can reconstruct into physical form.
Perhaps that is why dogs and animals tend to vanish in [UFO] flap areas. Perhaps the living cells of those animals are somehow used by the ultraterrestrials to create forms which we can see and sense with our limited perceptions. [ii]
Evidence concerning the collection of living cells from animal (and human) mutilations indicates something very unusual and unworldly.
The precision by which the material is collected has often been compared to laser-like precision, but Lieutenant Colonel Philip J. Corso (1915-1998), who is best known today for his book The Day After Roswell (which disclosed his involvement in allegedly back-engineering extraterrestrial technology recovered from the UFO crash site at Roswell, NM in 1947), was working on a manuscript before he died titled Dawn of a New Age that described an unknown technology beyond laser accuracy used by unsympathetic Extraterrestrial Biological Entities (EBEs) for tissue removal:
A study and laboratory reports show that the tissue taken from animals and humans by the alien EBEs also centers around celi structure.
So delicate and perfected is their advanced approach that when they cut out the private reproductive parts (vagina, penis, testicles) and the rectum, eyes ears, udders, etc., they do not cut through cells.
The cells are separated not cut through. Even the brain is taken in a manner where there is no cerebral trauma.
In their animal and human mutilations, the aliens have shown a callous indifference concerning their victims. Their behavior has been insidious and it appears they might be using our earth and manipulating earth life. Skeptics will excuse them that possibly they are benevolent and want to help, however, there is no evidence they have healed anyone or alleviated human ailments.
On the other band, they have caused pain, suffering and even death. [iii]
As,
the Battalion Commander of European Air Defense in WW-II
the Chief of the Special Projects branch of the Intelligence Division under General Douglas MacArthur
a staff member of President Eisenhower’s National Security Council for four years,
...Corso’s unpublished work illustrates how the science and purpose behind the alleged modern ET-human-hybridization agenda is so clouded in mystery that not even leaders from the world’s most prestigious intelligence bureaus seem to fathom it (except - as we will seek to document in the upcoming book Exo-Vaticana - at above-top-secret levels there are Black Government Agencies participating with the alien entities in some sort of Cosmic Watergate wherein the breeding program transpires).
And
quote:
One cannot read the conclusions by Gary Stearman and David Flynn without calling to mind Genesis 3:15, which says,
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed [zera, meaning offspring, descendants, or children] and her seed.
From the Middle Ages forward, church leaders believed this genotype or seed would provide for the mystical arrival of Antichrist and ultimately represent the return of Nephilim - the reunion of demons with humans.
Back in 1976, Academician N.P. Dubinin, the first director of the Institute of Cytology and Genetics of the Siberian Branch of the USSR Academy of Sciences (1957-1959) may have understood a key element related to how Satan’s seed would animate Antichrist on earth in the last days. He described by what means in his opinion the genetics revolution would lead to an exchange of living forms taking place between the earth and other worlds. [x]
After reading his material, Russian Orthodox Archpriest Vladislav Sveshnikov expressed apocalyptic fears, saying:
We have to admit that contemporary science is preparing the ground for the coming of the Antichrist.
Why did Sveshnikov imagine the exchange of genetic material between the earth and other worlds leading to Antichrist?
He saw something reminiscent of the Watchers advent being repeated in,
the manipulation of genes in order to produce the ‘superman’ or ‘man-god’ of Nietzsche’s imagination, who will be at the same time the ‘devil-man’ or ‘Antichrist’ of Christian patristic teaching. [xi]
The English theologian George Hawkins Pember agreed with this premise, and in his 1876 masterpiece, Earth’s Earliest Ages analyzed the prophecy of Christ that says the end-times would be a repeat of the Days of Noah.
Pember outlined the seven great causes of the antediluvian destruction and documented their developmental beginnings in his lifetime.
Like Stearman, Flynn, and Sveshnikov, he concluded that the seventh and most fearful sign would be the return of the Nephilim and the arrival of Antichrist,
The appearance upon earth of beings from the Principality of the Air, and their unlawful intercourse with the human race. [xii]
Thus, it appears those social, spiritual, and academic intellectuals who now believe we are close to integration with intelligent alien life (and who also believe that this discovery could ultimately reconfigure established doctrines of science, religion, and salvation) may be closer to the truth than some of them have imagined.
Events unfolding over the past decade portend a near future in which alien influences led by a man of unusual intelligence will arrive on Earth as champions of a new Gospel. Numerous Scriptures foretold the otherworldly leader’s coming for what he actually is - paganism’s ultimate incarnation; the beast of Revelation 13:1.
As Jesus Christ was the seed of the woman (Genesis 3:15), the Antichrist will be the seed of the serpent.
But the prophet Daniel may have provided an even greater clue as to the identity of this coming false savior. He says in chapter eleven, verse thirty-nine of his book that the Antichrist will be a worshipper of the god of forces - a god whom his fathers knew not, a text that we will analyze later and show from the Hebrew how it can literally be interpreted to mean, an alien god.
What do you think?

  
AnswersInGenitals
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Message 52 of 214 (864445)
10-11-2019 12:49 PM
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10-11-2019 9:41 AM


Unreasonable doubts and identified aerial phenomenon?
The existence of UFOs had been proved beyond reasonable doubt, according the head of the secret Pentagon program
How many hundreds, maybe thousands, of convicts have been found to be innocent of the crime they are incarcerated for after spending years or decades in prison. All these miscarriages of justice occurred after a jury found them to be guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. These findings were usually based on eyewitness testimony and indisputable forensic evidence.
Several years ago there was a UFO sighting by people working late at night in a large office area that had an expanse of windows on one side. One of the office workers stepped up to the window to look at the city lights below and immediately saw several saucer shaped glowing white objects darting at high speed in the sky above. He called his coworkers to the window to see what was going on. Several of his coworkers also saw the saucers darting about and switching directions incurring phenomenal accelerations. But some other people didn’t see this phenomenon at all. It took a while for someone to notice that the people able to see the saucers all wore glasses, while those not seeing it didn’t. What they were actually seeing was the ceiling globe lights being reflected in their glasses! A case of identified aerial phenomenon.

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AnswersInGenitals
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Message 53 of 214 (864447)
10-11-2019 12:56 PM
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10-11-2019 9:56 AM


Who will save us from the true demons?
But this stuff is just demonic manifestations. I wonder if that will ever be discovered. Christians have God's power over these things, but if the world is duped into believing they are visitors from other planets with superior technology, that misbelief is going to become a tool for the oppression and subjugation of humanity.
But it is religions that throughout history have used fear of demonic manifestations to subjugate the populace (and to torture and murder any who disagreed with them).

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ringo
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Message 54 of 214 (864450)
10-11-2019 1:07 PM
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10-11-2019 9:41 AM


Re: There is voluminous research from top government agencies and people.
LamarkNewAge writes:
Luis Elizondo [said] of the sightings, In my opinion...."
Everybody has an opinion.

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Theodoric
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Message 55 of 214 (864457)
10-11-2019 1:35 PM
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10-11-2019 9:56 AM


Re: There is voluminous research from top government agencies and people.
So they are now admitting that these sightings are of real phenomena or objects.
All anyone is admitting is that they have no explanation for some things that were seen and recorded. Nothing more, nothing less. This is no big expose. Same as it ever was.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 56 of 214 (864462)
10-11-2019 3:57 PM


Lions and Tigers and Bears?
Someone please clue me in here.
These recent revelations aren’t anything new, except it’s finally admitted by the USAF.
They are not revealing anything we didn’t already know; that there are instances where pilots have seen and recorded objects flying through the air that we could not identify.
They did not reveal aliens, extraterrestrial or spiritual demons/angels or otherwise. We do not know if they were meteors, space junk, secret aircraft, ball lightning, or any one of hundreds of other probable natural phenomena.
No one peered through the cockpit window of a spinning flying saucer and saw an almond-eyed grey or the red visor flash of a cylon. No one saw ET.
What they saw was unidentified. That does not equate to, does not even imply, ET.
Nothing new. Nothing startling. Just an admission of that we already knew for decades.
So what’s all the bullshit about?

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Phat
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Message 57 of 214 (864466)
10-11-2019 4:30 PM
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10-11-2019 3:57 PM


Re: Lions and Tigers and Bears?
AZ writes:
So what’s all the bullshit about?
Some of us like jumping to conclusions, while others would stand at the altar forever awaiting solid evidence.
Believers and nonbelievers likely share some personality traits among their respective group. We are likely unalike in many notable ways. Diversity is the spice of life!
You and Faith should go on a date.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

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Message 58 of 214 (864469)
10-11-2019 4:58 PM
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10-11-2019 3:57 PM


Re: Lions and Tigers and Bears?
No one peered through the cockpit window of a spinning flying saucer and saw an almond-eyed grey or the red visor flash of a cylon. No one saw ET.
What they saw was unidentified. That does not equate to, does not even imply, ET.
I agree. I had a pretty amazing experience once in my life, but I have always refrained from drawing any real conclusions because its pointlessly speculative to do so. We don't even have a frame of reference in which to draw an inference let alone formulate a conclusion.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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AZPaul3
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Message 59 of 214 (864470)
10-11-2019 5:02 PM
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10-11-2019 4:30 PM


Re: Lions and Tigers and Bears?
Some of us like jumping to conclusions...
What conclusions are jumped to today that were not already jumped to 4 decades ago?
The only difference between then and now is that instead of a "No comment," the USAF has said "Yeah, We seen some unidentified things."
You and Faith should go on a date.
And ruin her fantasy? You're daft, man.
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 60 of 214 (864474)
10-11-2019 5:14 PM
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10-11-2019 5:02 PM


Real sightings
Some decades ago there were radio reports of a "flying saucer" being reported flying over Vancouver.
It had multi coloured lights, was making right angle turns at high speed and was saucer shaped.
The area of the city it was seen wasn't visible on the main floor of our house but the tenants upstairs could see out that way. Then he yelled "I see it" so I ran upstairs to look too.
I was standing beside him as he pointed. He was almost hoping up and down with excitment. He described it just as the radio did. I stood beside him and saw nothing. I got closer to look where he was pointing and telling about it. Nada.
Finally, finally I see the bright light of Venus in the dark sky after a storm. The clouds are scurrying by so it looks a bit like Venus is moving.
When I pointed out to him what he was actually seeing the flying saucer disappeared for him too.
Do not tell me what people have seen. It's not helpful.

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