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AnswersInGenitals
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Message 1 of 8 (864500)
10-11-2019 6:06 PM


Here is an article explaining climate change denial that I think is also pertinent to evolution denial.

Why Do Some People Still Think Climate Change Isn't Real?

Should this be in the "..in the news" forum or maybe even in "Faith and Belief"?

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Message 2 of 8 (864502)
10-12-2019 4:27 AM


Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
Thread copied here from the The psychology of denialism. thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.

  
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Message 3 of 8 (864510)
10-12-2019 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by AnswersInGenitals
10-11-2019 6:06 PM


Sounds Like Me
I was just telling jar why I didnt trust the evidentialists...and then moved on to your new topic. Lo and behold!
Here's The Real Reason Why Some People Still Think Climate Change Isn't Happening

Article writes:

People deny the climate crisis because, to them, it just feels wrong. (...)
Denial happens when climate science rubs us up the wrong way. Instead of making us want to arrest the climate crisis, it makes us resist the very thought of it because the facts of anthropogenic global heating clash with our personal projects.

It could be that the idea of climate change is a threat to our worldview. Or it could be that we fear society's response to climate change, the disruption created by the transition to a low-emissions economy.

Either way, climate change becomes such an "inconvenient truth" that, instead of living with and acting upon our worries, we suppress the truth instead.

This reasoning is also why I reject jar and ringos plain reading of the Bible. It is a threat to my world view. There is no way I would be happy if God were just a character in a book. I don't trust human nature and I don't trust humans having the innate intelligence to survive and build a brave new world free of gods and religions.

Personally, in a pragmatic sense, I believe that the whole argument between liberals and conservatives really isn't whether or not climate change is happening. (Though some claim it is)
It is really about who gets to provide the solution: The Private Sector, mainly conservative, who are already buying up the land where the new sea level will be...and the dreaded liberal public sector...where the rules and guidelines will be mandated by government...which the conservatives do not want.

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Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith


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Message 4 of 8 (864527)
10-12-2019 2:41 PM


Why "deny" climate change and evolution? Not because scientists made a mistake but because those things do not matter that much. Evolutions may be generated in a single act of God, and any climate change can be reversed any moment.

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Message 5 of 8 (868481)
12-13-2019 2:03 AM
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10-12-2019 2:41 PM


Denial Is A Polluted River In Egypt
Alex CaledinWhy "deny" climate change and evolution?
Because we do not want our lifestyles to change. My sister is like a cop, plucking every plastic bottle out of the trash and placing it in recycling. I dont want to take the time to do this. Perhaps it needs to be made habitual through some sort of positive reinforcement. If they gave me a decent rebate, I'd be more inclined to do it. I had dreams and ideas of how the future would unfold. More and more, the problems and challenges loom ever larger and more urgent. This applies to spirituality and a needed change in human behvior as well as in regards to climate change and human involvement.

Not because scientists made a mistake but because those things do not matter that much.
I think that the evidence shows that humanity and the earths capacity to support us anywhere near the lifestyles we have become used to having is ending. Period. And this is indeed an inconvenient truth. No wonder some folks want the rapture! They wanna get outta Dodge while the sun is still out.
AC writes:

Evolutions may be generated in a single act of God, and any climate change can be reversed at any moment.

Granted God is a game changer IF He chooses to simply recuse humans from their mistakes. I see little evidence that He is doing this apart from renewing our minds to think smarter. And what good is a thought without action? I'm getting old and in the way. I have little energy to start scrubbing the planet clean.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction .
"~Thugpreacha

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith


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Message 6 of 8 (868495)
12-13-2019 10:31 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by AnswersInGenitals
10-11-2019 6:06 PM


I believe that climate change has been so politicized and polarized by the media that it confuses people as to what legitimate science exists and how to distinguish between pseudoscience.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Message 7 of 8 (868506)
12-13-2019 11:28 AM
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10-12-2019 11:00 AM


Re: Sounds Like Me
Phat writes:

It is really about who gets to provide the solution: The Private Sector, mainly conservative, who are already buying up the land where the new sea level will be...and the dreaded liberal public sector...where the rules and guidelines will be mandated by government...which the conservatives do not want.


There may be some truth to that.

But the private sector will go wherever the money is; if they can make more money by putting every atom of carbon into the atmosphere they'll do that; and if they can make more money by shipping all of our "recycling" to Asia they'll do that.

And the public sector will go wherever the votes are.

In our recent federal election, the (big-C) Conservatives won the popular vote but lost the election because their base is ever more concentrated and thus, ever more isolated. They have all of the climate change deniers on their side and they're pro Big Carbon. The common wisdom is that they will have to broaden their base or go the way of the dinosaurs.


"If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...."
-- Rudyard Kipling

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Message 8 of 8 (868510)
12-13-2019 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by ringo
12-13-2019 11:28 AM


Re: Sounds Like Me
One slight correction:

But the private sector will go wherever the money is {this quarter}; if they can make more money by putting every atom of carbon into the atmosphere they'll do that; and if they can make more money by shipping all of our "recycling" to Asia they'll do that.

The Private Sector is solely concerned with the short term immediate return and never considers the longer term costs.


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