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So they are now admitting that these sightings are of real phenomena or objects. Hooray. I understand the Vatican is also studying these phenomena. I suspect that eventually they and perhaps the US government and who knows who else will come out and declare them real for some political/global purpose. Perhaps one will show up with "aliens" too.But this stuff is just demonic manifestations. I wonder if that will ever be discovered. Christians have God's power over these things, but if the world is duped into believing they are visitors from other planets with superior technology, that misbelief is going to become a tool for the oppression and subjugation of humanity.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Wut? I don't even know where to begin.

Oh nonsense. The biblical account pretty clearly points to fallen angels, demons that is, as the deities themselves, of most of the world's religions, from Molech to Allah and all the little tribes everywhere, including all the hundreds or is it millions of "gods" of India. "What the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils" said Paul somewhere, I'll look it up eventually. So if any of these UFOs or UAPs or whatever they are turn out to be real phenomena that get interpreted as extraterrestrial visitors, the most likely interpretation is that they are those very "gods" masquerading in a new form.The description hyroglyphx gave in Message 27, but even more so the film he embedded at the bottom at that post, sounds like some real phenomena that can't be explained in natural terms.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

You really do inhabit some totally other planet than I do. I didn't say one thing about good and evil or a conspiracy or anything. All I said was that what are taken for UFOs are most likely fallen angels/demons because they behave like the creatures of folklore the UFO expert Jacques Vallee describes in his books, and not like anything physical.AbE: HOWEVER, if this is the case we're talking major deception, which doesn't bode anything good for humanity.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

'Tis true, most cyber phantoms can't bear the light of real day. We'd probably both turn and run screaming in the opposite direction if we met, though I suspect you'd run faster.. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Various religions, Buddhism for one, Hinduism for another, have female spirits, devas or something like that. Isn't Kali remale? The gods and goddesses of Greece and Rome were both sexes. The Biblical description has them all male, because they don't reproduce I'd guess and male is kind of the default condition.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

What if they're real? I guess that is beyond all possibility?AbE: Oh, and is the prospect of visitors from outer space with a stupendously advanced technology less scary?Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

You can't just respond to different posts of mine from different contexts and expect me to know what you are talking about.The Old Testament talks about various demon gods of the nations that surrounded ancient Israel, and I think it was Molech that commanded the sacrifice of babies, and this became an issue when Israel started following the practice.But the idea that demons could be the UFOs comes from the conversation in this thread where I talk about Jacques Vallee's study of the UFO phenomena and describes them as similar to some creatures of folklore the way they appeare and disappear and move in ways physical things can't move. Since UFOs act in a similar way he made that connection. All I did was apply the biblical concept of demons to what he thought of as many different kinds of spirits. He could be right about that, but the Bible only mentions fallen angels.I also mentioned that demons are the gods found all over the world after the Fall. Like those described in the OT I mention above.AND of course they figure in the New Testament, mostly possessing people.Best I can do I think. Just ignore me if you want.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

The testimony of millions means nothing of course. I agree, but I think people have seen something real that isn't explainable by anything normal or natural, that leads to this interpretation. And again I think that kind of experience is the case described in the video posted by Hyroglyphx back in Message 27. There are experiences that can be easily enough explained away but I don't think those can.Having denied the reality of spiritual entities, however, shuts out the most likely interpretation IMO. Jacques Vallee had an unusual ability to recognize the symptoms that others miss.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

There are probably millions of people who believe you are a human being, but we know that means only that they believe what they believe, nothing more, and that they could be wrong and you're really a gerbil.. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Actually let's stick to those who claim to have experienced or witnessed such phenomena, how many I don't know but at least hundreds of thousands. That's not about popularity of an idea."Not explained by anything normal or natural" does not mean
'inexplicable'" except in the most mundane sense.Hyro's video was very convincing that a number of men on a ship and in the air witnessed what were definitely real phenomena, as their instruments even said so, that acted like no physical object ever seen before, and it went on for some time. Many witnesses to a phenomenon not explainable by usual means but definitely real. They were told not to talk about it but later had permission to talk and considered it a huge relief that they could now testify to having seen something that was undoubtedly real that had no normal or natural explanation. They don't even claim to know what it was, just that it was real and didn't fit anything known.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Um, testimony that a god is a fake isn't testimony, it's blind bias. Testimony to its reality, on the other hand, is usually based on a variety of evidences, despite Phat/Thug's acceptance of the idea there is no evidence.

They certainly do knjow that they were not any of those things. They were real objects, and their instruments registered their physical existence, but objects not behaving like anything they'd ever encountered before. They would recognize falling space junk, nobody ventured to give an opinioin what they were so they weren't paredolia, and Ezekiel's wheels were a vision. Whatever these were, they registered as physical objects, were witnessed by many, persisted over enough time to establish their reality, and behaved like no other known objects. Since nobody in this case has suggested any such thing your objection is just plain weird. Some kind of mental problem perhaps.

I say your testimony to a nongod is just a mental aberration of your own, whereas testimony to the existence of a god is based on various kinds of evidence.AbE: Chris Pinto's film on the American Founders makes it clear that the "Reason" that replaced religion in the Enlightenment context was purely biased opinion. Reason told them virgins didn't get pregnant, that people don't rise from the dead etc. These normal cases are interpreted to be the only possibility, exceptions couldn't possibly occur, God is simply denied so miraculous powers are denied. Therefore it never happened. So much for Reason.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I ws talking about what was in that film hyro posted. Nobody there interpreted the objects, just described them. No aliens etc. And I only bring up the demons interpretation as an answer to the ET interpretation. Probably others are now calling them aliens but in the film, no.