|
Register | Sign In |
|
QuickSearch
EvC Forum active members: 65 (9164 total) |
| |
ChatGPT | |
Total: 916,422 Year: 3,679/9,624 Month: 550/974 Week: 163/276 Day: 3/34 Hour: 1/0 |
Thread ▼ Details |
|
Thread Info
|
|
|
Author | Topic: Is The World Getting Better Or Worse? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: I'm sorry, cultural or religious clashes are not at all the same thing as an official religious agency intended for the punishment, torture and murder of heretics. Yet the fact is that in the Americas both Roman Catholics and Protestants forced Native American to adopt Christianity. They were seen as savages and heretics and were killed, tortured, confined, deported and had their language, dress, customs, diet, beliefs, sacred places and territories all desecrated and taken away from them. Claiming "Billy did it" only works before kindergarten.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith, you do know we can read the Treaty of Tripoli?
There is nothing anti-Christian in the Treaty of Tripoli.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: So what? That has nothing to do with the topic of the specific persecution of heretics by an official religious body. Apples and oranges. Cultural conflict. But that is NOT the topic Faith and has been answered several times in this thread. The FACT is that Protestants in the Americas are as guilty of genocide and ethnic cleansing as the Roman Catholics. The "Billy said to do it" defense also doesn't work once kids get to Kindergarten.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: And whether or not the Christians were naive, willfully ignorant, or in any way justifying what was done in the name of Christianity, they (we) are still responsible, though I do disagree with you when you claim we should give the Indians back their lands---at whatever the cost. Once again, where did I ever say we should return all lands? Phat, look up the histories of the Treaties we made with the Indians. Find one where we actually fulfilled our obligations under the Treaty. Edited by jar, : fix quote box
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: Were you the new Sheriff, you would outlaw belief of any kind not grounded in epistemology. No one wants to outlaw belief. What we do want is for people to understand that belief is not fact or reality and that evidence should trump belief. When someone says that the God in Genesis 2&3 must not have been fearful or that the serpent lied and the God in the story told the truth they are placing belief above the actual evidence. They are in fact misrepresenting the Bible. It's fine for them to say that they do not believe the Bible says what it actually says as long as they also deny that they believe the Bible is inerrant or "God Breathed" or any other such nonsense. When they start making mutually exclusive belief statements folks should understand they are creating God in their own image.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: I dont trust you. Good. You should not just trust someone, particularly someone who tells you what you want to hear.
Phat writes: You will simply defend why the apologists dont...cant...or wont accept your answer by saying that they are liars. Frankly i reject this explanation as unrealistic. When have I simply asserted folk are lying without providing the direct evidence that that is what they are in reality doing? The Apologist don't accept what the Bible actually says for their own reasons. I cannot say what those reasons are but I can point to what is actually written in the Bible and compare that to what they claim.
Phat writes: Im not sure why your logic appears sound. I have no evidence that your argument is wrong but i feel very strongly that it is. But you can test my argument and should test my argument Phat. What does the evidence show; does it support or refute my argument?
Phat writes: Why you never became a believer apart from going through the rituals of your club is and was your choice. I became a believer based on the influence of my environment. I remain a believer based on choice. I grew up in a Christian household, was educated in a Christian school and have been immersed in Christian culture all my life.
Phat writes: I believe that you quite simply missed the boat. Yet you have never been able to provide any evidence that there is some boat that I missed. Edited by jar, : appalin spallin
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: Just because they don't interpret the meaning of the scripture as you do does not mean that they are lying. I don't interpret meaning, I report fact; I simply believe that the story says what is actually written. It is not an interpretation that the serpent told the truth and the God lied; it is exactly what is written. The issue is that what is actually written conflicts with the meaning someone wants; the Bible is not the Bible they want and so they "interpret" what it must "mean".
Phat writes: That is the explanation that I do not trust. Screw explanations; what is actually written?
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: First, why do you reject the story the way most of "them" want it to say? Maybe because it is not written the way they want it to say?
Phat writes: I see flaws with your concept of an honor system and standard, however. For one thing, it is not often easy at all, and seems a bit unfair. Please point out where Jesus said doing what is right should be easy or fair?
Phat writes: You often say that we here in America will get the world we want. As if because of our flaws, we must pay the piper. The apologist would say that we can be forgiven. Who will forgive you? God may well forgive you but what about China or Japan or the EU or the bank or ...
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
|
Phat writes: GOD, if God exists can by definition change things. GOD, if God exists can by definition decide not to change things. AbE:
Phat writes: So AZPaul, do you believe in humanity? That is a silly question with no meaning or content Phat. Edited by jar, : see AbE:
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: God is worthy of exemption to critical thought...precisely because I will argue that humans don't create Him...so stop acting as if you do. Why is God worthy of of critical thought? Humans didn't create pond scum so is that exempt from critical thought? Humans did not create stars so are stars exempt from critical thought? Humans did not create milaria so is malaria exempt from critical thought?
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
RAZD writes: Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Only sometimes. The absence of holes in the target is evidence the target was not hit.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
But if the claim was that the target was hit it is evidence that the target was not hit.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
|
Phat writes: This is also a line of reasoning I would use. Critics call it an Appeal To Popularity but screw the critics. Okay, let's use it. About one third of the religious people in the world are Christians; two thirds of the world's religions people are not. The vast majority of Christians are Roman Catholic. By popularity Christianity loses. By popularity Protestantism loses.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: The majority of people will reject the message. What message?
Phat writes: My point, if I can defend it, was that it appeared that among those who had a conversion experience, most were Christians. Really Phat. You have evidence that more people that have a conversion experience choose Christianity than Islam or Taoism or Hinduism or Buddhism or ...?
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Anyone who calls Trump a Nazi is a nutcase. Correct. He is Not a Nazi Polka. But he is a Fascist.
|
|
|
Do Nothing Button
Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved
Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024