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Phat Member Posts: 18332 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I suppose you have a point. But don't we continually critically evaluate God..and belief in general...for over ten years at this forum? I guess all I am doing is challenging the idea that man defines God...(even though the evidence shows that we do)
I affirm that I believe that God created us long before we imagined Him. Despite no evidence. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18332 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
How do you know there can not be objective evidence of God? Because if that were so, everyone would believe..or more correctly know that God exists. And they don't. In addition, I believe that I already know God, and am testing the God I know versus the God that you describe (knowable through objective evidence). Perhaps I shy away from your idea of what evidence this would be and what conclusion it would lead to. God is not a relative concept. Everyone may well have an idea of who what and how God is, but I believe there is only one final answer. Im assuming that the God I claim to know is the right one. If not, this conversation will deteriorate quickly.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18332 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
There is no consensus on what a proper response would be. I happen to believe based on experience rather than evidence. Unlike some, I don't simply dismiss the belief based on lack of objective evidence.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18332 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I agree. This is also a line of reasoning I would use. Critics call it an Appeal To Popularity but screw the critics.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18332 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar writes: OK, finish your analogy. Who *wins*? By popularity Christianity loses. By popularity, Protestantism loses. I might point out that Christianity has always been a religion that focuses on the few rather than the many. Judaism was and is the same way. The majority of people will reject the message. My point, if I can defend it, was that it appeared that among those who had a conversion experience, most were Christians. You guys might ask to see proof or otherwise dismantle that argument so I stand on the sidelines watching... Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18332 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I'm assuming, for the sake of argument, that you label yourself more of a descendant of Aramaic Christians. That whole Zoroaster thing. Comments?
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18332 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar writes: Good point. What message? You may argue that the message is that we are charged to do what Jesus said. Feed the hungry. Clothe and shelter the homeless. Encourage the destitute. Which I will agree is part of the message. Apologists may say that the message is that while we were still sinners, Jesus died for us. You will argue that the story should focus on Jesus' life rather than his death, burial, and resurrection. So I agree...which specific message?Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18332 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
BUT what a treasure trove it would be to find some actual cache of documents from before 180. It would shake the earth. What do you suspect that we would find? How would it change the consensus of Western Christianity?Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18332 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
If so, then finding the original documents would likely have no effect.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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