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RAZD
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Message 3466 of 4573 (864656)
10-14-2019 12:39 PM
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10-14-2019 9:17 AM


Trump's Horrid Video ...
But remember, Pence is a far bigger threat to democracy than Trump.
I'm not so sure anymore. Pence wants an evangelical christian theocratic America. Trump wants to destroy America.
Recent events with Turkey and Syria show this.
And now there are reports of a horrific video
quote:
Gruesome Video of Fake Trump Killing Media in Mass Shooting Played at One of His Resorts
At a time when our nation is facing an epidemic of mass shootings, supporters of President Donald Trump showed a violent depiction of a fake Trump massacring members of the news media using a gun and other weapons at a conference held at one of the president’s resorts, the New York Times reported Sunday night.
American Priority, a group that supports the president, hosted the conference at Trump National Doral Miami.
Bloomberg technology reporter William Turton surfaced a video matching the description from the Times on YouTube. The video appears to have been uploaded by YouTube account TheGeekzTeam in July 2018, and the account has posted other videos doctored to make it look like Trump is violently killing his enemies. Although Turton said he has not yet been able to confirm the YouTube video was the same one played at the conference, the details in the video as described by the Times line up, although portions like the Barack Obama interview at the end of the video were not reported to have been shown.
We can probably expect more of this as part of his campaign both against impeachment and for re-election. We can also expect some of his base supporters to act out.
I choose to not link the video.
Yikes.

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Message 3467 of 4573 (864662)
10-14-2019 1:07 PM
Reply to: Message 3466 by RAZD
10-14-2019 12:39 PM


Re: Trump's Horrid Video ...
Pence wants an evangelical christian theocratic America. Trump wants to destroy America.
I don't think that Trump wants to destroy America. He just doesn't care about America. So if America gets in the way of him getting more money or puffing up his ego or kissing up to his friends like Putin, it's America's own fault for being in the wrong place. He just doesn't care.
Admittedly, that is the absolutely best case scenario. If destroying America would get him more money, then he would not hesitate. Nor if it would offer him revenge against anyone who had ever criticized him or tried to hold him responsible for his actions.
And now there are reports of a horrific video
No news service that I know of is showing it, but I did see the first few seconds from which I recognized the source movie: Kingsman (2014). The scene is where a mind-control tech is first used to drive a mob (a church congregation in this case) into a murderous frenzy. Trump's face is crudely superimposed over Colin Firth's head.
Looks like something a teenager or adolescent would have patched together. The making of the video is not so much the question, but rather the motivation of this grossly misnamed "American Priority" group in showing it at their conference.
Edited by dwise1, : "best case scenario" -- finally remembered what the term is

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Message 3468 of 4573 (864664)
10-14-2019 1:16 PM
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10-14-2019 1:07 PM


Re: Trump's Horrid Video ...
Trump definitely is destroying our environment and social safety net. I don't kn if he cares. But pretty much all of his Cabinet and immediate underlings are implacably opposed to the mission of their organizations.
And of course robbing the poor and giving to the rich.

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RAZD
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Message 3469 of 4573 (864669)
10-14-2019 1:42 PM
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10-14-2019 1:07 PM


Re: Trump's Horrid Video ...
Looks like something a teenager or adolescent would have patched together. The making of the video is not so much the question, but rather the motivation of this grossly misnamed "American Priority" group in showing it at their conference.
Apparently this is what passes for humor for some conservative people.
Admittedly, that is the absolutely best scenario. If destroying America would get him more money, then he would not hesitate. Nor if it would offer him revenge against anyone who had ever criticized him or tried to hold him responsible for his actions.
And he want's to remake America so he can rule for another 12 years (or longer). He said so in Florida. All (any) of that takes destroying America to accomplish.
I no longer give him any benefit of doubt. He sold state secrets to Saudi Arabia right after they murdered khashoggi so they could work on a nuclear bomb. Now he's sending US troops there to do Saudi dirty work.
He's turning Syria over the the Russians.
He's chipping away at all environmental regulations.
He's taking money from the treasury to give to people who don't need it while taking it and services away from those that do.
He is a traitor.
It certainly is Putin's goal.
Enjoy
Edited by RAZD, : .

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Message 3470 of 4573 (864676)
10-14-2019 2:58 PM
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10-14-2019 1:42 PM


Re: Trump's Horrid Video ...
Well, I did say I was presenting the absolute best-case scenario. Reality is very rarely as rosy.
Amazingly coincidental how just about everything that Trump does ends up working in Putin's favor. Please refer to Nance's Law below.

Honor, Courage, Commitment
(US Navy)
A Christian once asked what I as an atheist believed in. My spontaneous and totally honest answer was sounded corny, but it was true: "Truth, Justice, and the American Way." That's still my answer today.
GOP Values: Hypocrisy, Corruption, Greed, Lying, Cheating, Voter Suppression, Election Fraud, Conspiring with the Enemy
" ... how hard can that be, to say that Nazis are bad?!"
(Barack Obama)
"How are we still fighting Nazis today?"
(Daisy Johnson, S5E15)
"Nance's Law: Coincidence takes a lot of planning."
(Malcolm Nance)
It is a well-known fact that reality has a definite liberal bias.
(Steven Colbert on NPR)

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1.61803
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Message 3471 of 4573 (864677)
10-14-2019 3:38 PM
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10-14-2019 2:58 PM


Re: Trump's Horrid Video ...
I for one think Trump is too stupid to know wtf he is doing any given time.
Instead of Nance's law I feel Hanlon's razor to be more appropriate.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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RAZD
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Message 3472 of 4573 (864678)
10-14-2019 3:48 PM
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10-14-2019 8:54 AM


Enjoy

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Message 3473 of 4573 (864679)
10-14-2019 5:07 PM
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10-14-2019 3:38 PM


Re: Trump's Horrid Video ...
I for one think Trump is too stupid to know wtf he is doing any given time.
I agree. Trump is indeed too stupid come up with these corrupt schemes by himself, let alone implement them. Instead, he serves mainly as a tool through whom others are able to implement their corrupt schemes. Not as an unwitting dupe, but rather as an enthusiastic co-conspirator because of the pay.
Instead of Nance's law I feel Hanlon's razor to be more appropriate.
quote:
Hanlon's razor is an aphorism expressed in various ways, including:
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stiupidity."
Again, having good intentions but ending up causing harm through your own stiupidity does not describe what Trump is doing. His intentions are to enrich himself and gratify himself by any means necessary. He's just too shtupid to carry it off himself, so others enable him in order to do their own profiteering.
Nance's Law does still apply. We are finding out more and more how many months of planning had gone into the Trump/Giuliani "shadow diplomacy" campaign to extort Ukraine. And everything Trump does "just happens to" benefit Putin and his plans -- even Trump diverting DoD funding for his wall had the side-effect of stopping NATO base and facility upgrades intended to deter Russian expansionism (see European Deterrence Initiative (EDI)). Now those "coincidences" have taken a lot of planning.
Remember, Trump is not the only bad actor here. He's just the impossible-to-ignore boil on our collective ass.

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Message 3474 of 4573 (864689)
10-14-2019 11:46 PM
Reply to: Message 3457 by JonF
10-12-2019 8:08 PM


Re: Abiy Ahmed Wins Nobel Peace Prize
Hi Jon
JonF writes:
I see you consider yourself an expert on batteries
Expert= drip under pressure. No.
But I am familiar with heavy equipment that requires a lot of fuel to be able to move and do work. Some I have run burned 300 gallons of diesel per day.
JonF writes:
BTW pretty soon there won't be any coal plants to generate electricity.
Sure there will be. China, and Japan is building them all the time.
God Bless

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Message 3475 of 4573 (864691)
10-14-2019 11:55 PM
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10-12-2019 7:24 PM


Re: Abiy Ahmed Wins Nobel Peace Prize
Hi dwise
dwise1 writes:
Ask a Public Affairs Specialist from the Social Security Administration.
What difference is there between an IOU and a bond anyway? Neither are backed by anything other than the good faith and credit of the issuer.
Since we have close to 300 trillion dollars of unfunded liabilities, we are not a good credit risk.
God Bless

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 3476 of 4573 (864692)
10-14-2019 11:59 PM
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10-12-2019 8:14 PM


Re: Rolled?
Hi Jon
JonF writes:
Yep. And so were we.
Actually we agreed to the buffer zone.
God Bless

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Message 3477 of 4573 (864693)
10-15-2019 12:15 AM
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10-12-2019 9:18 PM


Re: Abiy Ahmed Wins Nobel Peace Prize
Hi dwise
dwise1 writes:
We have Trump's confession in the form of that "transcript" of that "perfect" phone call. He admitted that he did it.
Quote word for word where Trump did what you said.
quote:
Taq writes:
He has abused his offic to openly solicite foreign interference in our elections to make it an unfair playing field.

Give paper, page and paragraph where Trump openly solicited a foreign government to interfere with our elections.
God Bless

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Message 3478 of 4573 (864697)
10-15-2019 7:14 AM
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10-15-2019 12:15 AM


Re: Abiy Ahmed Wins Nobel Peace Prize
Give paper, page and paragraph where Trump openly solicited a foreign government to interfere with our elections.
Give paper, page and paragraph where Don Corleone openly required Jack Woltz to give Johnny Fontane a part in a movie.

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Message 3479 of 4573 (864701)
10-15-2019 8:54 AM
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10-14-2019 11:59 PM


Re: Rolled?
Actually we agreed to the buffer zone.
Over the frantic objections of everyone in the Government or not who had a clue.
Sure is working out great, amirite?

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10-15-2019 9:17 AM
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10-15-2019 12:15 AM


Re: Abiy Ahmed Wins Nobel Peace Prize
Quote word for word where Trump did what you said.... Give paper, page and paragraph where Trump openly solicited a foreign government to interfere with our elections.
I take it you've never seen a gangster movie or read a book about gangsters.

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