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ProPublica, a non-profit news source is reporting details on some of Trumps tax returns and on financials provided to lenders that show some truly glaring discrepancies.If confirmed it will show Trump provided one set of books to the lenders but a different set of books to the Taxing authorities. And so far only four properties were surveyed so there will be far more interesting nuggets to find in the future.AbE: Who will TRUMP INC throw to the wolves from this ride?Edited by jar, : see AbE:

Hi vimesey It makes no difference what I believe. What matters is his exact wording.No place in that phone call does he say if you do this I will do that.Joe Biden said if you don't fire the prosecutor before I leave you will not get the billion+ dollars. That is extortion.There is no place Trump offered anything for help in an investigation.You can believe what you want to believe but your belief would not count in a court of law. So why should it count here.I thought this was a place that demanded evidence so where is the evidence that would hold up in a court of law?Where does Trump ask a foreign government to interfere in US elections?He does ask for help in an ongoing investigation.God Bless

Hi Jon What quid pro quo?There was nothing offered for help in an ongoing investigation. So you are a mind reader now.There is no quid pro quo if so state what it was.There was a request for help in an on going DOJ investigation to help the Attorney General.No place in the phone call is an upcoming election mentioned.Examine the evidence not your belief due to hatred for Trump. Evidence is what counts not your beliefs and assumptions.God Bless,

Hi Razd Where was help asked for in Trumps re-election? Where was this mentioned in the transcript?The Ukrainian President or no one else in the Ukrainian government knew anything about your statement. Only those who are dead set on getting Trump out of office have mentioned it. Everyone is so afraid they can't win in an election so they must get rid of Trump without an election. This has been going on since his election that was not supposed to happen and was totally unexpected even on election day.God Bless

You constantly seek to set up a false assumption, to justify your false exclusive dichotomy.Your false assumption is that meaning, intent and understanding can only be conveyed through the literal interpretation of language. We have explained to you, as kindly as we can, that meaning, intent and understanding can perfectly well be conveyed through numerous other avenues, but you are desperate to be able to present your false dichotomy, and so revert constantly to your false assumption.You know what Trump was saying to the Ukraine. I do too. Everyone does. There is no exclusive dichotomy of Trump breaking the law through the specific and ring-fenced use of literally interpreted terms, and Trump not breaking the law.Edited by vimesey, : Clarifying the false dichotomy.

The ones around here need no kitchens or bedrooms because they're only a few miles from civilization. The crews go home after their shifts.And as far as I know, they get their electricity by cable.

Don't you think technology and needs have changed drastically in the last 60 years? Now days it is more efficient to run electric cables for even dragline excavators. The biggest dragline excavator in the world was powered by electric cables.

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Big Muskie was powered by electricity supplied at 13,800 volts via a trailing cable, which had its own transporter/coiling units to move it. The electricity powered the main drives, eighteen 1,000 horsepower (750 kW) and ten 625 horsepower (466 kW) DC electric motors. Some systems in Big Muskie were electro-hydraulic, but the main drives were all electric.

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Big Muskie - Wikipedia So your mantra is "Don't confuse me with the facts , my mind is made up".
I provided you multiple sources saying that renewable energy is cheaper than fossil fuel, but you would rather revel in your ignorance. Are you capable of reading even basic information and digesting what it says?Your data on renewables is old. Non fossil fuel electricity production is 26% for the whole world.
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The reason renewable is only at 26% is becuase fossil has a bit of a head start and they get huge amounts of subsidies. Renewable is soaring with very limited subsidies. It is much cheaper when you take into account all of the subsidies the fossil fuel industry enjoys.I know facts are an uncomfortable thing.

I don't condone illegal immigration. I also don't condone policies that would force illegal immigrants to die on the doorsteps of emergency rooms. The very ability to overstay a visa means they have no borders, according to your logic. I am not OK with people pushing completely debunked conspiracy theories, like you are doing. Yes, a completely debunked conspiracy theory that Trump wants circulated for political purposes. Our intelligence services know its an unfounded and false conspiracy theory, and the Ukranians know it too. So what Trump is really asking is for the Ukranians to make shit up, and for political purposes. This is asking a foreign country to interfere in our elections. Trump is asking for the Ukranians to invent an investigation for political purposes. That's what's wrong. Everyone in the sane part of the world knows that Biden did nothing wrong. Where in the US Constitution does it require a vote in the House to start an impeachment inquiry?She isn't holding the vote because she doesn't have to. Then give us some direct quotes, with context.

Hi vimesey So what you think he meant and intended is all that matter no matter what he says or does.If I want to kill you and I never really threaten you the police are helpless to do anything about my intentions. Even if you think I would like to kill you. But the minute I make a verbal threat the police can lock me up.So yes words matter.What you think a person's intentions are does not matter. Only what they say and do matters. I know exactly what he said because I have the transcript of his exact words.I am not a mind reader nor am I a fortune teller so I have to go on the evidence of what was said. So if he did not break the law, what is the problem?Could it be that he won an election that he was supposed to lose by 11 points as predicted on election day?Hillary won the popular vote which would rule in a democracy.
Trump won the electoral vote which is the only thing that counts in a Republic which the United States is.The election took place Trump won but it has not been accepted by the opposition and they have been trying to remove him since he was elected.If the democrats continue down the path they have chosen I am afraid that they are going to lose the House giving the republicans a majority in the House. I also am afraid they will lose enough seats in the Senate to give the republicans a bullet proof Senate with a 2/3rds. majority. I am a republican and I would not like to see that much power in a single political party. I was a democrat until the party left me in the 80's.God Bless

No, just a native English speaker who can draw obvious conclusions. I want weapons.
I want a favor.If there was no quid pro quo Trump would have talked about weapons. There was and is no ongoing investigation in either Ukraine or the US. (ABE on Biden. Barr is conducting an "investigation" of the origins of the Russia investigation and the unanimous conclusion of our intelligence agencies and the Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee that Russia interfered in 2016). The Invention of the Conspiracy Theory on Biden and Ukraine tells the story well:

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For those who recall the Clinton Cash controversy, the baseless tales claiming that Biden corruptly intervened on behalf of his son’s Ukrainian business interests feel a lot like the movie Groundhog Day. In March of 2018, Schweizer and the Government Accountability Institute once again produced a book that was perfectly timed for the Presidential campaign. Secret Empires devoted a chapter to the subject of Bidens in Ukraine, which laid out the conflicts of interest posed by the wheeling and dealing of Biden’s son Hunter. (An additional chapter laid out Hunter Biden’s business deals in China.) As the book recounted, in 2014, Hunter Biden, a Washington lobbyist, took a profitable post on the board of Burisma, a Ukrainian gas company run by a shady oligarch, while his father, who was then the Vice-President, handled a drive to rid Ukraine of corruption. Other news organizations, including the Times and the Wall Street Journal, had already run stories on the same unethical-seeming morass. (In July, The New Yorker published a piece about the relationship between Joe and Hunter Biden that dismissed allegations of any illegality in the Ukraine matter but included some concerns from Obama Administration officials that Hunter could potentially undermine his father’s work.)

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But Schweizer went a step further. His chapter implied not just that Burisma was a crooked company but that the end of a Ukrainian criminal investigation into it on January 12, 2017, was in some unstated way connected to Joe Biden’s visit to the country four days later. In this way, Schweizer floated the possibility that, as Vice-President, Biden had abused his power to protect the company or his son from prosecution. Yet Schweizer provided no proof of causation nor evidence of illegality.

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A common affliction among fundies and RWNJs.

It's often easy to discern intentions accurately. As in Trump’s conversation with Zelenski.But when the rubber meets the road what people do is the final arbiter, not what they say.The current administration is conducting massive transfers of wealth to the rich and corporations, actively working to destroy our environment, tearing down the social safety net, and many other despicable attacks on our culture including actively spreading loony conspiracy theories.And they have stated that if there is a second term. Medicare and Social Security are on the chopping block. I hope you don't rely on either of those.

Still with the false assumption and misunderstanding.The literal interpretation of specific words is not the only way to convey meaning, intent and message. Certainly that is one way, but it is not the only way. You do understand that, don't you ?Take another example. Tony Ianucci visits Joe Businessman who's just set up shop in a shiny new warehouse. Tony sits down with Joe and says "Lovely business you've got here - but your stock looks really flammable and those windows don't look too secure. I hope your insurance is up to scratch. Moving on to other things, the busineses around here like to contribute $20,000 a year or so to the Ianucci Charitable Fund - you might want to help out the local orphans too, so here are the bank details."Now, has extortion just taken place ? Extortion requires a threat of violence, so has a threat been made ? There are no words whose literal interpretation represent a threat. Has a crime occurred ?According to you, it hasn't. According to numerous court cases over the years, it has. This would be because the Courts are able to look reality in the face and say "yup, that's reality".

That is definitely not the problem. None of us have a problem with fair elections. I never liked George W. Bush, but I never would have supported impeachment proceedings against him. This isn't a Dem v. Rep thing. This is about corruption and incompetence at the top of the Executive branch. The man isn't fit for office and is an ongoing threat to our national security, regardless of what party he is from. There are times when doing the right thing requires sacrifice. At least Democrats are able to put their country ahead of their party. We will see if Republicans are able to do that, too.Edited by Taq, : No reason given.