Hi Jon
JonF writes:
No, just a native English speaker who can draw obvious conclusions.
You can even examine evidence and draw a conclusion but neither conclusion is necessarily correct.
JonF writes:
I want weapons.
Where is that statement made in the phone call?
I find where President Zelenskyy said:
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We are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps specifically we are almost ready to buy more Javelins from the United States for defense purposes.
You can find this statement in the third response from President Zelenskyy @
Transcript: Trump's Ukraine Call Released By White House : NPR
But I don't read where he said "I want weapons."
It seems to me that your intentions were to conclude that Zelenskyyy said 'give me weapons.' and Trump said, OK if you will get me information. Because that is what you want to believe.
See where interpreting someone's intentions can get you.
Just stick with the facts.
Zeleneskyy was not even ready to purchase the Javelins at the time of the phone call.
JonF writes:
I want a favor.
Where did Trump use those words?
In the quote below I am going to underline the exact words the President used.
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The President: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation. I think you're surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it. As you saw yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it's very important that you do it, if that's possible.
This is found in the fourth response of the President
Transcript: Trump's Ukraine Call Released By White House : NPR
Trump started the sentence stating he would like for Zeleneskyy to do a favor because of all the things that had gone on that Ukraine had knowledge of. He ended this response with "if that's possible.
This was specifically talking about what happened in the Russian Collusion fiasco including information about a email server. He specifically mentioned Mueller's investigation. So there is nothing in that response about Biden or his son.
By the way Trump was asking that Ukraine assist the Attorney General in that investigation. One that you said Barr was doing.
JonFBarr is conducting an "investigation" of the origins of the Russia investigation
So yes there was an investigation ongoing prior too and during the phone call.
Now to the Burisma Holding's investigation.
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"There was no pressure from anyone from the U.S. to close cases against Zlochevsky," Kasko said in an interview last week. "It was shelved by Ukrainian prosecutors in 2014 and through 2015"
Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
Shokin became chief prosecutor in February 2015 and remained until March29 2016 when he was fired. According to the Bloomberg story the investigation had started again at the end of 2015 or they would have included 2016. So apparently Shokin had reopened the investigation and was making too many waves and had to be removed. After his firing a temporary was appointed and finally Yuri Lutsenko settled the cases for a few million dollars in Jan 2017 only 10 months after Shokin was fired.
Just smell's kind of like raw sewage to me.
The Investigation into Burisma Holdings was re-opened in January 2019.
JonF writes:
If there was no quid pro quo Trump would have talked about weapons.
Why would Trump mention weapons? Zelenskyy was not ready to purchase the Javelins at the time of the phone call but rather in the future. I am sure if he had been ready to deal Trump would have made a deal, or at least discussed it.
JonF writes:
There was and is no ongoing investigation in either Ukraine or the US.
But there are. If you will get your head out of the sand you might see them but I doubt it.
JonF writes:
A candidate was mentioned.
A person bragging about getting a prosecutor fired who happened to be a candidate was mentioned.
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Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me.
I have seen his speech on TV where he makes that brag so that is a non debatable fact, unless Biden was lying and I can not see for the life of me why he would lie about such an event.
He made the threat and received the firing of the prosecutor. Ukraine received the billion+ dollars. Now to me that sounds like a quid pro quo. Or extortion if you prefer.
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