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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0
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Project Veritas - That's the operation of James O'Keefe, king of the doctored videos.
Scum - Nothing he has anything to do with should be paid any attention. Moose
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9140 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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Project Veritas? Really?
Nothing little jimmy o'keefe has presented has stood up to scrutiny. He is a known liar that presents doctored video to push forward a radical agenda. That anyone would take anything he says serious is stunning. Next.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2313 Joined: |
I don't even know who the guy is.
I had no idea about the group. But he has video from the 'mouth. Christian Sierra, of CNN, talked about the networks attitude. It is cut and dry. The corporate media has several individual parts. Part of it has spoken. Live with it.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9140 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
Whatever.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0
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But he has video from the 'mouth. I haven't followed O'Keefe's work closely (which would be stupid to do), but I believe he has done (among other things) videos of question and answer sessions, where the answers were to different questions. The guy works the cutting edge of real FAKE NEWS. Alex Jones of InfoWars might be a more reliable information source. Read the Wiki page cite a did a few messages upthread. Moose
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9140 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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I don't even know who the guy is. I had no idea about the group. Then why would you pass on anything from him? Vetting sources unimportant to you? You continue your MO of a version of the gish gallop. Just throw shit against the wall and see what sticks.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2313 Joined: |
I only knew of the video because I saw it while I was channel surfing (saw it on Tucker Carlson while switching between MSNBC and CNN).
The video footage that interested me was the actual CNN guy himself talking (Sierra). I did a quick google search, and found some articles (including the Washington Times). The CNN guy is what matters. He is the one talking (aside from the questions). It is all on video. Deal with it.
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0
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I could not find any such video at your link. Post a video link?
The CNN guy is what matters. He is the one talking (aside from the questions). And O'Keefe is known to mate up questions and answers that were not mated in the real event. Did the questions even happen in the real event, or were they spliced in afterwords? James O'Keefe is well known as a distorter of what really happened - aka lying via doctored videos. Not remotely a reliable source. You going to believe an O'Keefe video that shows the sun rising in the west? Moose Edited by Minnemooseus, : Fix typo (left a letter out).
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9140 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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You have been shown repeatedly that James Okeefe is a criminal and a liar. The fact that no reputable news source has reported on this should be a clue.
Dealt with.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2313 Joined: |
Again, the issue was whether CNN's Sierra felt Gabbard was more liberal than center (or center-right).
The issue was what CNN's Sierra said about her views. The issue was what Sierra said his network did not like about her. (I never mentioned that I have mixed views about some of what she has been saying about certain issues - like immigration - BUT THAT IS IRRELEVANT TO THE FACT-BASED CUT & DRY INTERVIEW I REFERENCED!) She does not sound right-wing to me on immigration (though she feels she get points for labeling her fellow Democrats as "open borders") Tulsi Gabbard’s Policies on Immigration Issues Deal with Christian Sierra saying she was "actually pretty liberal". The video is not beyond your grasp. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2313 Joined: |
Here is a relevant story (from a paper I read every day when I am in NYC) which has a picture and quote from Sierra.
(The quote, however, is not about Gabbard) Undercover Video Reveals Tension Between CNN Staff, Leadership Over Nonstop Trump Focus Here are some questions and answers (from the Veritas site) from Sierra, but no video it seems. It skipped that part where he said "she is actually pretty liberal", but the initial Washington Times link (in my first post) quoted it. (EDIT - - - I forgot the link and am no longer at the site, and I don't feel like finding it. It lacked video and the quotes of Sierra were selective anyway) (see Tucker Carlson link for relevant part, but, again, no video) I FOUND THE TUCKER TRANSCRIPT (the show from October 16 that caused me to post that night)
quote: I saw Christian Sierra say what this transcript showed. And my initial October 16 Washington Times link reported on the "liberal" views comment that I SAW SIERRA SAY. (On a side note, I felt the League of Women's Voters had an anti-immigration bias. It did make for some great answers by Ronald Reagan in his races against Carter and Mondale, however.) Edited by LamarkNewAge, : left out Project Veritas link. Sorry.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9140 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
Who is Christian Sierra? Why is anything he says relevant?
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2313 Joined: |
There was a debate, here at EvC, which centered around people debating whether Gabbard was "center-right, or "center-left".
The amazing thing is that the main accredited liberal group, Americans for Democratic Action, give her a 95% (according to the most recent year scored - 2016 - at a site I will link to below), which is something that only about a third of U.S. Senate/House Democrats could achieve in past decades (I don't follow the scorecard stuff much these days and have not for a while). Look at this comprehensive site showing all sorts of groups ratings, and it IS SORTED BY YEAR. (everything is sorted by an issue genre topic) The Voter's Self Defense System - Vote Smart Look at immigration, and I will look at the most recent year of each group below The National Iranian-American Council gave her 100% for positions taken in 2017 (the most recent year a pro immigration group scored members). The larger number of anti-immigration groups give here scores anywhere from 0% to a 13%. Hispanic Federation, LCLAA, LULAC, Mi Familia Vota, NCLR, and Voto Latino - National Immigration Scorecard gave her 100% in 2014 (the most recent year they scored) 2014 UnidosUS (formerly known as National Council of La Raza) - Positions (Preliminary) 100% 2013-2014 American Immigration Lawyers Association - Positions 100% 2013 Arab American Institute - Positions on Arab-American Issues 100% Here is everything for education
quote: Healthcare scorecards since 2016
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9140 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
So you got nothing.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
I apologize if this isn't the right place for this, but nothing else seems to fit either, and I don't want to start a whole new thread on something that probably won't generate a bunch of discussion.
The Nation ran a profile on Ilhan Omar this week:
Why Ilhan Omar Is the Optimist in the Room I thought it was interesting since the usual media portrayals of the new leftist members of Congress seem to represent them as shrill extremist bomb throwers. This article presents another side to Omar's approach to politics. Warning to the rightwing: FAKE NEWS!Hard as it is to fathom, Mr President, just because you’re the leader of the free world doesn’t entitle you to a free pass. Unfortunately, just a free press. -- Neil Cavuto
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