Moses, the author of the Torah, was the adopted son of an Egyptian pharaoh
One would think the Egyptians would have said something about this. Why is there no mention about this at all in any historical record?
Luke was a physician
You have no evidence of his existence outside of your bible. Also there is no evidence who wrote the gospel that tradition attributes to him. The earliest attribution to him is about 100 years after it was written.
Coincidently, today is his feast day in the Catholic church.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
Moses, the author of the Torah, was the adopted son of an Egyptian pharaoh, educated at court, not a goat herder.
quote:Exodus2:15 Now when Pharaoh heard this thing, he sought to slay Moses. But Moses fled from the face of Pharaoh, and dwelt in the land of Midian: and he sat down by a well.
16 Now the priest of Midian had seven daughters: and they came and drew water, and filled the troughs to water their father's flock.
17 And the shepherds came and drove them away: but Moses stood up and helped them, and watered their flock.
18 And when they came to Reuel their father, he said, How is it that ye are come so soon to day?
19 And they said, An Egyptian delivered us out of the hand of the shepherds, and also drew water enough for us, and watered the flock.
20 And he said unto his daughters, And where is he? why is it that ye have left the man? call him, that he may eat bread.
21 And Moses was content to dwell with the man: and he gave Moses Zipporah his daughter.
It doesn't say what Moses did for a living while he was dwelling in Midian - he might have been an accountant - but most people assume he helped with the herding.
It was never intended to be objective. The key is "whosoever believes", not
whosoever objectively knows.
God, having no corporeal form, can never be examined and thus falsified. Nevertheless, people these days do just that by becoming their own God in their own mind. Also, AZ, it is easy to moch the "Bronze Age goat herders which you refer to, as if we humans are so much wiser these days. They had all day to contemplate what to believe. We are so busy texting, googling, and running to and fro chasing the green paper that we expect science to lay out facts for us to accept, all before breakfast.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness. ? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
Electricity has no corporeal form, yet it can be studied objectively.
It leaves behind measurable effects and evidence of its presence. God's only shaky evidence is the believers themselves... which you will argue is no evidence at all.
But again, I believe that it was all meant to be this way.
And my question to you Mr. ringo is why you see no reason to believe. Is it because you think that following the message is enough? Is it because you are disillusioned by the Gods marketed?
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness. ? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
I'm pretty sure he was a shepherd in Midian, was moving the flock when he encountered God in the burning bush.
But he had been brought up in the Egyptian court and didn't get driven out to Midian until he was forty or so, at which point he became the herder. Before that he had lived the life of an educated member of Pharoah's family.
Moses was a fairy tale. There was no exodus. Genesis was written 1000-800 BCE from an older oral history and was re-written during the Babylonian Captivity and finished by the building of the Second Temple period 500 BCE. The priests wrote and re-wrote the Pentateuch over a period of centuries. It was not written by your mythical Moses.
Paul was a revisionist zealot akin to David Koresh, neither of whom, despite their claims to the contrary, were chosen as special by the holy spirit and Luke didn’t write any gospel, some covey of ghost writers did well after the facts.
The whole history of your tome is fraught with contradiction and falsehoods.
I am most sorry, Love, but your religious beliefs are built on foundations of hot air.
Ah well, another predictable victim of "modern scholarship" which is the real revisionism that believers know intuitively is bogus but seems to enthrall those with an agenda to discredit what they don't understand. No, the Bible is to be read as traditionally understood before the "scholars" got their hands on it: as the revealed word of God to men who had the fear of God in them that would not have permitted any such deviations as the scholars impute to it. They even made some of their decisions about its timing based on their own prejudice against prophecy and other supernatural revelations -- not how any true scholarship should operate.
It was preserved through the dedication of such Godfearing men and is to be completely trusted as is. Moses was real as were all the others who are described in it and had a part in writing it. Very simple: just believe it as written, the lying scholars aren't going to be able to "stand in the judgment."
Why would there be any reason that the originals would be significantly different from the copies, given the bits of evidence that the copyists have presented so far?
Because there is evidence of at least one totally additional text that was the original source for what was later copied into parts of Luke and Matthew but was not a source for Mark. So we know that what we do have originates by editing and copying material from Mark and at least one other yet unfound document.
What we have in Luke, Mathew and John at least are later creations primarily based on earlier documents.
Phat writes:
If so, I suppose that I can understand...but it seems to me as if you would really rather that people simply threw these sources away and become their own source responsible for its own content.
No Phat, I do not want us to become a source, but I do think it would be wise to acknowledge what is actually there and what can actually be known.
Phat writes:
To be fair, however, I would admit that were the original source of importance, this too would eventually be revealed some way or another.
And yet no original source has ever been revealed.
What is clearly evident is that stories did get expanded and revised and embellished way beyond the original. Two examples you and I have discussed extensively are the Great Commission and Paul's experience on the Road Again...
If the evidence shows that what we do have are copies and embellishments and revisions of earlier work that is absolutely never been found and unknown, how can anyone honestly try to claim they know what was in the original?
God's only shaky evidence is the believers themselves... which you will argue is no evidence at all.
But Phat, that is true of EVERY religion and EVERY God. It is evidence that those who claim to believe in that God or that whatever seem to believe in that God or that whatever.
If you look at what is actually written in Exodus it has exactly the style and content of the Saturday Matinee serial; short exciting episodes that each end with a cliff hanger to be resolved in the next nights tale. It was created to be employment for a story teller over an extended stay before moving on to the next encampment. It is also early propaganda, "This is how you became ONE people, more than just your tribe."
I disagree that the mythos was spread by storytellers earning a living. That fits in conveniently with your world view, but not mine.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness. ? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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