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Message 102 of 283 (864695)
10-15-2019 5:18 AM
Reply to: Message 101 by Phat
10-15-2019 4:15 AM


Re: Matt Dillahunty & his fundie family feud.
Why is it a logical fallacy to invoke popularity? Surely the fact that so many seek to defend Christianity somehow correlates to a reason why it is something worth defending.
Are you sure you want to go here? Remember that a vast majority of the people on this planet reject your version of a god. If this were an election you would lose.

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Message 115 of 283 (864741)
10-15-2019 10:27 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by Faith
10-15-2019 7:18 PM


Re: Matt Dillahunty & his fundie family feud.
Thugsy is doing it to clear the channels to hear from God.
Burritos interfere with divine reception?
When I have one of those colonoscopies and the laxatives they give me totally clean me out, I mean totally, as in nothing in there at all, I swear I can pick up the whole rest of the universe laughing.
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

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Message 127 of 283 (864801)
10-16-2019 11:40 PM
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10-16-2019 10:09 PM


Re: Matt Dillahunty & his fundie family feud.
True Prayer is to God according to biblical directives, such as "in the Name of Jesus."
I think the Jews might disagree with that since they were practicing their prayers to that same one true god a couple thousand years before you Christians usurped the practice with your three-in-one heresy. And the Hindus were praying to their gods thousands of years before that. They helped invent the practice.
You Christians are latecomers, hijackers of an ancient ritual that you tarnished with your evil arrogance, exclusivity and violence. Not a good sign of Jesus’ love.

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Message 129 of 283 (864805)
10-17-2019 12:54 AM
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10-16-2019 11:58 PM


Re: Matt Dillahunty & his fundie family feud.
though I know you'd rather call me names.
No, My Natasha Fatale, I do not call you names. I call you wrong.
There are neither demons nor gods and your usurpation of prayer is historically inaccurate, self-serving, BS.
You and yours cannot claim any exclusive on prayer. And to try is the very arrogance you said you reject.

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AZPaul3
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Message 131 of 283 (864809)
10-17-2019 1:22 AM
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10-17-2019 12:57 AM


Re: Matt Dillahunty & his fundie family feud.
How did you come up with THAT weird name?
You know where the Fatale comes from. Natasha Fatale was the mysterious lady antagonist in the Rocky & Bullwinkle show. A most adorable and yet tragically wrong character.
You see, I too move in mysterious ways.
Prayer is neither exclusive to your highly specific cult of christian nor is it other than demented fantasy.
It may help you soothe your fears inside your own head, with our own psyche, but that is all it can do. And as such your exclusivity is broken since everyone else has an inside their own head as well.
Your claim to commune with ghosts through prayer is bogus and your claim to an exclusive patent to prayer is quite silly.

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AZPaul3
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Message 133 of 283 (864811)
10-17-2019 1:53 AM
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10-17-2019 1:45 AM


Re: Matt Dillahunty & his fundie family feud.
it makes you hate me.
You know better.
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

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Message 177 of 283 (864906)
10-18-2019 10:56 AM
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10-18-2019 10:34 AM


Re: Textual Criticism is a legitimate science
It really doesn’t matter how many fragments from how many copies look, feel, taste the same. Why would anyone give credence to what a cult of goat herders wrote down 3000 years ago? Or what a handful of zealots ghost wrote from other’s imaginary remembrances 2000 years ago?
Historical curiosity is one thing but you religious nutters have carried this thing too damn far. Reality awaits you, M’lady. Lift the scales from your eyes. Seek and ye shall find that all the old gods are dead. In truth, they never were. The human mind controls the spirit, not some disembodied ghosts.

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AZPaul3
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Message 189 of 283 (864923)
10-18-2019 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 179 by Faith
10-18-2019 11:18 AM


Re: Textual Criticism is a legitimate science
Moses was a fairy tale. There was no exodus. Genesis was written 1000-800 BCE from an older oral history and was re-written during the Babylonian Captivity and finished by the building of the Second Temple period 500 BCE. The priests wrote and re-wrote the Pentateuch over a period of centuries. It was not written by your mythical Moses.
Paul was a revisionist zealot akin to David Koresh, neither of whom, despite their claims to the contrary, were chosen as special by the holy spirit and Luke didn’t write any gospel, some covey of ghost writers did well after the facts.
The whole history of your tome is fraught with contradiction and falsehoods.
I am most sorry, Love, but your religious beliefs are built on foundations of hot air.

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Message 201 of 283 (864941)
10-18-2019 4:57 PM
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10-18-2019 4:46 PM


Re: On evidence
Which is why you should throw away all the Gods and gods. GOD is not the Gods and gods. All of the Gods and gods are just human creations.
Good GOD, Gods and gods! How many GOD, Gods and gods are we talking about here?

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AZPaul3
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Message 205 of 283 (864952)
10-19-2019 3:34 AM
Reply to: Message 204 by Faith
10-18-2019 8:10 PM


Re: religion of goat herders revisited
Your prince of Egypt must have been a clever fellow indeed.
He certainly didn’t write his books in the ancient Middle Egyptian of 1700 BCE that he (supposedly) grew up with as his native language.
All your fragments and pieces parts of scrolls show that some parts of Genesis were written in early Hebrew while other parts a much later form of Hebrew; a span of 500+- years from a few centuries before to the time of the second temple, none of which time was of the time of your prince.
It's like the Declaration Of Independence being written in a mix of the Modern English of Thomas Jefferson and that of the late Old English of Beowulf while insisting it was written by the first Viking raiders to Saxony before English was even a thing.
How did he manage to write his Pentateuch in two different languages neither of which existed when the tomes were supposedly written?
Well, majik, of course. The very same majik that shows the foundations of air for the entire edifice.

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AZPaul3
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Message 208 of 283 (864955)
10-19-2019 4:37 AM
Reply to: Message 207 by Faith
10-19-2019 3:54 AM


Re: religion of goat herders revisited
If the timeline your apologists insist is true were real then the language used cannot be. If the language your apologists insist is true were real then the timeline cannot be.
Your Moses could not have written any of the Pentateuch since the languages (multiple) did not exist at the time your apologists insist he wrote them.
Your scriptures were written by covies of priests from a population of goat herders over a 500+- year period. All of it embellished from a questionable oral history.
Denial of fact cannot help you.
Shucking and jiving to move the goal posts cannot help you.
The story you insist upon is inconsistent and contradictory. Like it was made up fabricated fantasy like the silly stories we used to tell nieve little children about gods and majik trees and erudite snakes.
I do know that when the OT texts found in the Dead Sea Scrolls are compared with our own current Hebrew text they are identical.
Because they were written by the same covey of priests over the same period of time.
So what's the point? That they were written by the same covey of priests over the same period of time? I'll grant you that.

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AZPaul3
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Message 210 of 283 (864957)
10-19-2019 5:31 AM
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10-19-2019 4:53 AM


Re: religion of goat herders revisited
quote:
The Hebrew language developed from the original Canaanite language shortly before 900 BCE. Some parts of Genesis are early Hebrew while other parts a much later form of Hebrew, reflecting the times when different passages were written. The presence of two Aramaic loan-words (31:47) is an indication that this part of the Book was written during or after the Babylonian Exile.
source
Stop trying to find excuses to reject him. Simply believe. The Flying Spaghetti Monster is real and places his noodly appendage gently upon you. All the scholarly reconstructions are subject to all kinds of errors. The Pastafarians preserved the gospels carefully, regarding them as The FSM's own word. Google doesn't show different languages but even if there were there would be a reasonable explanation for it. Just believe.
The Gospel of the Pastafarian Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

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Message 221 of 283 (864974)
10-19-2019 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 216 by Phat
10-19-2019 12:07 PM


Re: On evidence
GOD, if GOD exists, is not going to be anything like what humans have created as gods or Gods.
And I suppose that from a knowledge standpoint, thats all that we can say. All of the candidates have an equal shot at this election. Ridiculous ones such as our noodly spaghetti monster should be as worthy of consideration as the historic arguments for Jesus of Nazareth.
The election was held 300 years ago. Reality won. How about we take the only actual logical step and dismiss them all as fantasies? Throw away all the GOD, Gods and gods. Reality has been elected Dictator-For-Life and there is no going back.

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AZPaul3
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Message 232 of 283 (865023)
10-20-2019 4:37 AM
Reply to: Message 229 by Faith
10-19-2019 5:11 PM


Re: religion of goat herders revisited
The fact that Genesis was written in two widely separated versions of the same language is not something to be happy or sad about. It just is.
The FMS stuff ... well, that was just for fun.
Fun makes me happy. It makes my insides feel good. Like playing with puppies. Yes, I am a happy poster.

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