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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8527 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
So the little squeaky thing was Boris? Explains a lot.
Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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vimesey Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
Yeah - he hasn't changed much.
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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vimesey Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
Except, I should add, that his current puppeteer is Dominic Cummings, instead of the original Paul Smith.
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
Several news papers are stating that a Brexit deal between Boris Johnson's administration and the EU may be on the brink of success.
Newspaper headlines: Johnson 'on brink of Brexit deal' amid late talks - BBC News At first I thought it might just be smoke and mirrors. But several EU leaders have confirmed that talks are yielding some positive momentum and that a deal may be on the verge of being ratified. Of course, said deal would still have to pass parliament. But it looks like Boris may have 'some deal' ready for the special session of parliament this weekend.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2323 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
The U.K. joined in bombing Serbia over the ethnic based-conflict 20 years ago.
Now that these two nation's have leaders that are trying to open borders, we see that the U.K. is going for a "deal" that includes closed borders and no freedom of movement for dozens of (E.U.) country's people that previously COULD move to the U.K. How many steps forward? How many backward? I can't add all the worldwide positives and negatives up (so I can't say if things are getting better or worse at the net level), but the recent (after the June 23, 2016 incident ) U.K. policy changes are just plain gross. If the world is opening borders overall, then Sub-Saharan Africa gets the lion's share of credit, or I SHOULD SAY the continent collectively should. A big boo for the United Kingdom.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
quote: Brexit: EU and UK reach deal but DUP refuses support - BBC News Of course, this would still have to be approved by Parliament. And that is a big 'if' since the DUP has stated they won't support it.
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I am not for closed borders, byt I am also not for unrestricted open borders. It will cause wars either way.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8527 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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Would you expect war between Iowa and Illinois?
Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8527 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
OK, so what the hell just happened? What is this Letwin Amendment?
From what I see this Letwin thing said Parliament would not vote on Boris’ Brexit deal until it discussed and passed the Brexit deal. Say what?Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
OK, so what the hell just happened? What is this Letwin Amendment? From what I see this Letwin thing said Parliament would not vote on Boris’ Brexit deal until it discussed and passed the Brexit deal. Say what? In a nutshell, the Letwin Amendment is an extra 'insurance policy' for the Benn Act, which essentially makes it clear that the Prime Minister has to ask the EU for an extension to the Article 50 deadline. The concern was that they didn't want a vote on the deal prior to the PM asking for the extension because they thought Boris might find a way to circumvent the extension request. Interestingly, Boris has indeed sent a letter to the EU asking for an extension. But it was unsigned. He then also sent a second letter, which was signed, telling the EU that he thinks an extension is a mistake. So its an interesting case of a world leader basically sending bipolar signals to the EU. I am actually quite curious what the EU will do at this point. From my point of view, I think it might actually be in their best interest to reject the extension request. That would put all the onus on the UK to either accept the new deal, leave without a deal or cancel Article 50. Most of what is going right now in the UK is political maneuvering. All political parties are trying to engineer a scenario that they think will be most beneficial for them in the election that is likely to come.
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1304 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined:
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The Letwin amendment requires that the house do not vote on the withdrawal agreement untill the legislation is in place.
Some MPs feared that even if the deal was voted through, without leglistation in place to to force the PM to enact the deal, he could still opt to crash out with no deal. (a possible loophole to the Benn Act). They wanted this loophole closed. So this amendment is basically parliament making clear that they do not trust the current prime minister.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
quote: Brexit: MPs' vote on deal ruled out by Speaker John Bercow - BBC News Another setback for Boris.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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But obviously the right decision. Attempting to evade the Letwin Amendment by holding the vote a couple of days later is not and should not be acceptable.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
quote: Brexit: Johnson agrees to Brexit extension - but urges election - BBC News Looks like The Never Ending Story is going to continue a while longer. And you Brits will likely be having an election shortly.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined:
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A couple of good Jonathan Pie rants here:
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