Believe in UFOs? This editorial's for you!

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But wait and see if there is some kind of event such a government revelation might portend, where we are "introduced" to some spaceship and its inhabitants, who are supposedly here to solve all our problems, like maybe climate change, even war perhaps? Maybe we'll be told they are the creators, or planters perhaps, of life on earth too and have come back to see what became of us. So we actually see this "spaceship" on TV and -- "greys" or whatever they are -- then what?I know you think it's too bizarre and won't happen but I do wonder what you would think if it did. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

There isn't any direct statement that I know of, especially identifying the Fall as the specific pivotal point, but there are passages where we see that Satan and his demons are in charge of the world and you have to infer that this wasn't the way the world was originally created so they had to have taken over afterward. Since it was Satan who seduced our original parents the inference is that he earned the right to rule us at that point.There are two references in John to Satan as "the prince of this world." This is one of them: That is on 'this page
and there is more discussion of these references there.Also, Paul says Well, sacrifice is something people do to "gods," right? So somehow or other the devils or demons became the gods.

Life has become very weird in recent times so I don't know what to believe about such things. I forget where I first heard this scenario, it wasn't recent. Oh this guy, Christian guy, haven't listened to him in a long time, wonder if he's still out there, gets into really fringey stuff, can't remember his name either. I remember he lives in Florida and was visited by a voodoo demon one night that acted like a living skeleton and got in bed with him. Interesting stuff huh? You miss so much fascinating drama if you aren't a Christian. I think if I tease about something I'm pretty flatfooted about it so you'd know it.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

You must not have been around many psychotic delusionals.Oh well.There are many versions of demonic manifestations. The apparitions of "The Virgin Mary" that have been seen by Catholics, mostly children, over the years, are such demonic manifestations. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Hey LNA,
I read over your posts but they are too much, I just can't figure out what to respond to. After all your writing I don't even know for sure if you believe in UFOs or what you believe about them.Could I ask you a favor? Could you write a brief abstract of your posts and put it at the top, or bottom as you prefer, condensing the main points in it? I know you can do it because I asked it of you once before and you surprised me with a nicely done condensation.We all have our posting styles, it's like it's in our DNA or something, you can often tell from a distance who wrote what, but some of you guys who lard it on need to help us out here.

Demonic manifestations ARE gods. Or what the gods are. Not the real God but the gods.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Curious: Catholic? Na, I meant real psychotic delusionals. I've known well, one. There's a continual sense of something being "off," even sometimes on the scary side, not just the occasional statement of a belief you don't share.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Wow, you really were surrounded in your family. I'm familiar by now with pretty much all those versions but none of it was ever in my family. My own choice these days is a fairly sedate Calvinist Baptist church, although I do like to wave my arms in the air as you put it, because of my earlier experience in the charismatic churches. It's just emotional though, it's not delusional.

Are you talking about something that has been discussed on this thread somewhere? What I remember is Hyro's post Message 27 where the video was about UFOs sighted by pilots of fighter planes launched from an aircraft carrier, not self-piloting passenger planes. So the suggestion that they were hypnotized due to inactivity is far from the truth in this case. Other sightings were from the aircraft carrier The Nimitz. You have this all wrong. That was hyro in Message 27describing his own personal experience on the deck of a ship at sea, not an airplane, and he was very tentative about his estimate of the size and distance of the object he saw precisely because the conditions made it so difficult to judge. He gave a tentative guess, not a conclusion. Yes we are aware of all these possible ways we can be deceived in our perceptions. The radar detection of these UFOs in the video was from moving planes and an aircraft carrier, read by men very experienced in reading radar. I don't think your doubts would have been overlooked by them or not taken into account. And again the radar was not on the ground so your comments on that perspective are irrelevant. The men in the video who experienceds these UFO phenomena, on the aircraft carrier and in the air, were all solid skeptics who hesitated to come to a conclusion about what they were seeing. In the end they only knew that they had witnessed something that appeared to be extremely real, some kind of unknown flying objects, physical but not behaving according to the laws of physics. They were intelligent skeptics.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I guess it's possible that every single sighting or supposed encounter with a UFO was a misidentification or hallucination. But that seems harder to accept than that some of them were real and not explainable in any normal ways. Hyro's video in Message 27 would have to be a mass hallucination without any psychological or situational reason for it, the witnesses sound extremely sane and credible, and the reports of something that defies any kind of normal explanation.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Did you watch the video in Message 27?Focusing on demons is kind of a distraction, since that is my own interpretation of what Jacques Vallee identified as beings as described in folklore. He studied the reports of UFO phenomena and showed that they followed that ancient pattern. Beings that come and go at will, move in ways that violate the laws of physics and so on. Why keep making an issue of my own interpretation of that when this guy addressed all these phenomena and found this particular characteristic in all of them. That seems like an important piece of information to me.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

The video is rather dramatized, but I still think the men who saw the objects are good witnesses. But how would it look if scientifically studied instead I wonder. Collect all the radar data, interview the men separately in a neutral setting etc. Oh well.

Yes I know, there is only one person I know of who interprets these as nonphysical phenomena and that is Jacques Vallee who rightly concluded that they simply do not obey physical laws, but seem to behave the way countless phenomena reported down the ages do who are identified as "beings." He didn't call them demons, I did, he calls them beings. I say they are demons because those are identified in the Bible as one kind of angel, the fallen kind. So I'm the one saying they are demons, but vallee is a bone fide UFOolgist and he called them "beings."All you science aficionados really need to learn that the easiest thing to do is rationalize something away.

Vallee studied the UFO phenomena for years. You need to learn some respect.

Vallee did because he doesn't believe in tne supernatural you snarky mizzerable slimebucket. Yeah suspend me whoever.{Percy is becoming the Mad Censor for sure. "Mis(z)erable"?}_