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Taq
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Message 3091 of 5796 (865197)
10-21-2019 6:11 PM
Reply to: Message 3029 by Faith
10-19-2019 3:19 AM


Re: Trump's Rallies Really Pull Them In
Faith writes:
LOTS more jobs, Taq, lots, great increase in jobs for blacks and Hispanics too. They also like his upbeat patriotism, his love of country, in the face of the neverending hatred of America by the Left.
There is nothing demonstrating that this is due to Trump policies. In fact, tariffs have probably slowed down job growth.
Faith writes:
they aren't stupid, they know this turns into jobs for them.
It doesn't. They were already rich, so why weren't they increasing the number of jobs with the wealth they already had?
Maybe they are even smart enough to know that this would only force businesses to cut their number of employees and possibly even go out of business.
Minimum wage is causing poorer families to go bankrupt right now.
Not sure what this refers to but we've been hearing for years that SS is going to go bankrupt in just a few years, not Trump's doing.
Republicans have long sought to end Medicare and Social Security.
Difference of opinion. He's often seen as a good negotiator on my side, while Obama was not only gutless but determined to destroy our military and our reputation in the eyes of the world.
Obama didn't abandon our allies to ethnic cleansing.
This must be the usual liberal inability to understand the mind of a businessman who is doing nothing illegal and in most cases has in mind benefitting the people.
That would be the mind of a corrupt businessman. Again, you don't understand the basics of morality and ethics. It is immoral and unethical to use your office to enrich yourself with tax dollars and foreign dollars when you are an elected politician.

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Taq
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Message 3092 of 5796 (865198)
10-21-2019 6:17 PM
Reply to: Message 3050 by Faith
10-20-2019 1:51 PM


Re: The Muller Witch Hunt Exposed
Faith writes:
The topic is Gregg Jarrett's book claiming the Mueller investigation was a witch hunt in which the whole thing was drummed up out of thin air to try to catch Trump in something.
1. The Trump campaign knew ahead of time about the release of Dem emails on Wikileaks.
2. Ukraine policy was strangely changed in the Republican platform to be more pro-Russia, with most people indicating that it was the Trump campaign that asked for the changes.
3. Trump openly called for Russia to get Clinton's emails.
4. The meeting in Trump Tower with known Russian agents.
5. Carter Page had already been unwittingly involved in one Russian intelligence operation, and claimed that he had worked for the Kremlin. He was one of Trump's foreign policy experts.
6. The Trump campaign was already trying to get sanctions lifted on Russia before they even moved into the White House, including lies about contacts with Russian ambassadors.
I could list many more. There was plenty of smoke, more than enough to open an investigation and make sure there wasn't any fire.

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Taq
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Message 3093 of 5796 (865199)
10-21-2019 6:19 PM
Reply to: Message 3071 by Faith
10-20-2019 11:13 PM


Re: The Muller Witch Hunt Exposed
Faith writes:
Trump has committed no crimes.
You you going to stomp your feet and hold your breath like a little child?
Simply repeating the same thing over and over is both desperate and childish.

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Faith 
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Message 3094 of 5796 (865202)
10-21-2019 6:38 PM
Reply to: Message 3093 by Taq
10-21-2019 6:19 PM


Re: The Muller Witch Hunt Exposed
I'll stomp my feet if it will entertain you, but the fact is that Trump has not been charged with or convicted of any crime whatever, but previous Presidents who were actually impeached were so charged. Everything Trump is accused of is wild speculation at best, innuendo, insinuation, just leftist fantasy.

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Faith 
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Message 3095 of 5796 (865203)
10-21-2019 6:40 PM
Reply to: Message 3093 by Taq
10-21-2019 6:19 PM


Re: The Muller Witch Hunt Exposed
Believe what you want, it's always fun for us on the right to see the Left's predictions come crashing down.

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dwise1
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Message 3096 of 5796 (865206)
10-21-2019 7:37 PM
Reply to: Message 3078 by Faith
10-21-2019 11:07 AM


Re: The Muller Witch Hunt Exposed
Just curious: How do you explain the fact that members of Congress who started out poor or broke are now multi millionaires? Just wondering.
So your only response, besides delusional denial, to an enumeration of Trump's wrongdoings including actual violations of laws is to change the subject. In doing so, you are admitting that you have no defense for Trump, that deep down you know that he's guilty as hell.
And try to remember that his criminal activity is not the basis for his impeachment. He is being impeached for having violated his oath of office and for his flagrant abuse of the power of his office. And his flagrant violations of the US Constitution. And his flagrant corruption. And his obvious collusion with Putin and other Russian oligarchs.
His criminal activity will come to bear once he's out of office and no longer under that OLC memo's protection from prosecution.

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Theodoric
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Message 3097 of 5796 (865210)
10-21-2019 9:29 PM
Reply to: Message 3078 by Faith
10-21-2019 11:07 AM


Re: The Muller Witch Hunt Exposed
How do you explain the fact that members of Congress who started out poor or broke are now multi millionaires? Just wondering.
Still waiting.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Faith 
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Message 3098 of 5796 (865213)
10-21-2019 11:34 PM
Reply to: Message 3097 by Theodoric
10-21-2019 9:29 PM


Re: The Muller Witch Hunt Exposed
A bunch of names were named on the radio, Maxine Waters is the only one that comes to mind, but google just wants to give general information about her, I can't find anything specific enough about her financial situation. But I'm sure the subject will come up again and I'll make a point of remembering.

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Faith 
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Message 3099 of 5796 (865215)
10-22-2019 12:05 AM


Politico reported that Ukraine interfered in the 2016 election for Hillaryry
So here's some evidence, from the leftwing source, POLITICO back in February of 2017 of Ukrainian interference in our election on behalf of HILLARY, not Trump. This is what Trump was asking about in that phone call, more information about THIS Ukrainian corruption, and this is part of the evidence in the ONGOING investigation into interference by the Democrats in that election, by Barr and Horowitz and others I forget.
Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election. And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found.
A Ukrainian-American operative who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee met with top officials in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to expose ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation.
The Ukrainian efforts had an impact in the race, helping to force Manafort’s resignation and advancing the narrative that Trump’s campaign was deeply connected to Ukraine’s foe to the east, Russia. But they were far less concerted or centrally directed than Russia’s alleged hacking and dissemination of Democratic emails.
Russia’s effort was personally directed by Russian President Vladimir Putin, involved the country’s military and foreign intelligence services, according to U.S. intelligence officials. They reportedly briefed Trump last week on the possibility that Russian operatives might have compromising information on the president-elect. And at a Senate hearing last week on the hacking, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said I don't think we've ever encountered a more aggressive or direct campaign to interfere in our election process than we've seen in this case.
There’s little evidence of such a top-down effort by Ukraine. Longtime observers suggest that the rampant corruption, factionalism and economic struggles plaguing the country not to mention its ongoing strife with Russia would render it unable to pull off an ambitious covert interference campaign in another country’s election. And President Petro Poroshenko’s administration, along with the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington, insists that Ukraine stayed neutral in the race.
Yet Politico’s investigation found evidence of Ukrainian government involvement in the race that appears to strain diplomatic protocol dictating that governments refrain from engaging in one another’s elections.

The Ukrainian antipathy for Trump’s team and alignment with Clinton’s can be traced back to late 2013. That’s when the country’s president, Viktor Yanukovych, whom Manafort had been advising, abruptly backed out of a European Union pact linked to anti-corruption reforms. Instead, Yanukovych entered into a multibillion-dollar bailout agreement with Russia, sparking protests across Ukraine and prompting Yanukovych to flee the country to Russia under Putin’s protection.
In the ensuing crisis, Russian troops moved into the Ukrainian territory of Crimea, and Manafort dropped off the radar.
Manafort’s work for Yanukovych caught the attention of a veteran Democratic operative named Alexandra Chalupa, who had worked in the White House Office of Public Liaison during the Clinton administration. Chalupa went on to work as a staffer, then as a consultant, for Democratic National Committee. The DNC paid her $412,000 from 2004 to June 2016, according to Federal Election Commission records, though she also was paid by other clients during that time, including Democratic campaigns and the DNC’s arm for engaging expatriate Democrats around the world.
MAY ALL THE TRUTH COME OUT.

  
Faith 
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Message 3100 of 5796 (865217)
10-22-2019 12:38 AM


Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin Says No Quid Pro Quo in phone call
Johnson who was in Ukraine on May 20 came back and was in a meeting with Trump on May 23, said Trump did not want to give aid to Ukraine because of their corruption. He again talked with Trump before this "whistleblower" thing came out, about his policy toward Ukraine, and Trump again emphasized that he didn't want to give them aid because of the corruption.
About the transcript of the phone call he says he thought Trump was gracious to Zelinsky in that call and that THERE WAS NO QUID PRO QUO at all. This is all in the first five or six minutes, and is stated specifically around 5:30. Around 10 he talks about Ukraine's involvement on behalf of Hillary against Trump.
This is my attempt to summarize the first eleven or so minutes of this interview.
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AbE: OH DRAT, THAT IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT INTERVIEW AND THEY WON'T LET US VIEW IT.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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ringo
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Message 3101 of 5796 (865235)
10-22-2019 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 3086 by Faith
10-21-2019 4:08 PM


Re: The Muller Witch Hunt Exposed
Faith writes:
Thousands of fake crimes, fantasy crimes, not one single legally established crime.
You're being dishonest. If there were "thousands" of allegations, you couldn't possibly have studied all of them in enough detail to know whether they were true or false.

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Faith 
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Message 3102 of 5796 (865239)
10-22-2019 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 3101 by ringo
10-22-2019 11:37 AM


Re: The Muller Witch Hunt Exposed
I don't need to study all the wacko attempts to pin something on Trump, it's enough to know he's never been charged with anything.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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ringo
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Message 3103 of 5796 (865242)
10-22-2019 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 3102 by Faith
10-22-2019 11:54 AM


Re: The Muller Witch Hunt Exposed
Faith writes:
I don't need to study all the wacko attempts to pin something on Trump, it's enough to know he's never been charged with anything.
Not being charged yet is not the same as being innocent. You would definitely have to study all the wacko attempts before you could "know" he was innocent.

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Percy
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Message 3104 of 5796 (865243)
10-22-2019 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 2969 by marc9000
10-06-2019 9:30 PM


Re: Fox News Gets the Facts Backward
marc9000 writes:
In reading through your link, it looks to me like the between-the-lines implication is that these circumstances are party, or completely because of conservatism / Trump. But are they really, were they pretty close to the same when Obama was president?
The forces behind the economic decline of rural America trace back to the beginnings of the growth of cities more than a hundred years ago.
It *does* take a community, and rural America is part of the community of America. We should be helping them (I don't think we know what form that help would take, but it would undoubtedly need to be both intense and diverse), but they don't want our help. They vote against the very politicians who would be most sympathetic to their plight.
Yes, the ones who say; "Hell yes, we're going to take your AR-15."
After compensation for their AR-15's they'll be economically better off, and physically safer.
The ones who are also sympathetic to little foreign girls who hate U.S. productivity.
Is this about the economic exploitation of children? I think everyone's against it.
Or those who place a higher priority in meddling with the fossil fuel industry than actually helping people.
Is this about climate change? Do you think some politicians are making wrong choices between those directly affected by climate change now and in the future versus those affected by attempts to minimize climate change?
They favor Trump by more than 70%, and that's both the mystery and the tragedy. The tragedy is obvious, but the mystery is perplexing. They believe nearly every nonsensical word Trump speaks (I'm now finally addressing your comment) with no apparent interest in facts or logic.
They just understand facts and logic that sympathetic Democrats tend to forget and ignore. Like our $22 trillion, and growing national debt.
For a long time now the national debt has increased in most years no matter what party was in charge.
Like recent increases in homeless communities in California that make their own lifestyles seem pretty good. And Democrat politicians (Pelosi, Waters, Schiff, anyone?) who show no concern about it.
It's the Republicans who favor cutbacks in Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. Bipartisan support held HUD funding roughly the same this year as last, adjusted for inflation.
"Trump good, Democrats bad" combined with disparaging attitudes about government, education, minorities, immigrants and urbanites (anyone who's not them) seems to be the foundation of their philosophy.
That's it - and facts and logic are involved.
What facts and logic justify disparaging attitudes about education, minorities, immigrants and urbanites? Running down government I can see for people who want to be unoriginal and cynical at the same time, but the rest? Seems anti-knowledge, racist, bigoted and parochial all at the same time.
...but I can't understand confusing it with Trump's impeachable offense in pressuring a foreign power to dig up dirt on a likely presidential opponent.
What I can't understand is how the mainstream media and Democrats are getting by with this, why it isn't trumpeted by Republicans just how fake it really is. Biden is NOT a political opponent of Trump's, because he's not been named as the 2020 Democrat candidate yet. The election is over a year away, while Biden is the front runner, front runners this far out are often not the candidate. Biden would take office at age 78 if elected. Even some Democrats would agree that there's too much likelihood of his death, or serious medical problems, for it to be good for the country. His chances or being the nominee are very small.
26 - is that the number of Democrats who are, or were running for the 2020 nomination? Does that mean that all of them, upon their announcement as a candidate, are suddenly immune to questioning by a sitting president for possible crimes involving foreign governments any time in the past? To think that Trump is scared of the 76 year old Biden 14 months before the upcoming election is laughable. It's very believable when he says his phone call had nothing to do with the upcoming election.
That Trump fears running against Biden is why he keeps running him down in tweets like these:

But back to your link;
quote:
Economic appeals are not going to sway any Trump voters, who view anyone who is trying to increase government spending, especially to help other people, with disdain, even if it ultimately helps them, too.
In this economy, you can be sure "economic appeals" aren't going to sway any Trump voters.
Trump has stated on numerous occasions that the strong economy is why he'll be reelected.
The left will never understand it, but it's a simple fact that "Trump voters" often find more value in being left alone more than getting free stuff.
Well, then they have no one to blame but themselves for their economic predicament, because it is not due to anything they're doing wrong. They're caught up in forces far more powerful than themselves. They need the help of state and federal government.
quote:
And Trump voters are carrying the day here in Van Buren County. They see Mr. Trump’s slashing of the national safety net and withdrawal from the international stage as necessities these things reflect their own impulse writ large.
They believe every tax dollar spent now is wasteful and foolish and they will have to pay for it later. It is as if there will be a nationwide scramble to cover the shortfall just as there was here with the library. As long as Democrats make promises to make their lives better with free college and Medicare for all sound like they include government spending, these voters will turn to Trump again and it won’t matter how many scandals he’s been tarnished by.
His "scandals", most all of them greatly magnified by the Democrat news media, are microscopic compared to the current national debt,...
With his tax code changes Trump has done, and will continue to do, far more than his share in contributing to the national debt.
...or rural America's knowledge of the disastrous results of many past socialist experiments worldwide.
You mean like Europe?
--Percy

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Faith 
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Message 3105 of 5796 (865244)
10-22-2019 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 3103 by ringo
10-22-2019 11:59 AM


Re: The Muller Witch Hunt Exposed
"Not being charged yet is not the same as being innocent???" Imagine that, the Democrats have even taken away that fundamental American position that we are innocent until proven guilty. But as a matter of fact he WOULD have been charged with something if he were guilty of any of it, as Nixon and Clinton both were as a basis for impeachment. The Democrats are just making it all up as they go along when dealing with Trump because they can't find anything to pin on him and it's driving them crazy, but their self-serving shenanigans are destroying the country.
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