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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Taq writes: The man isn't fit for office and is an ongoing threat to our national security, regardless of what party he is from. The man is not even fit to be in polite company. He is quite simply a boor.
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Taq Member Posts: 10033 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
jar writes: He is quite simply a boor. I could accept a boor who was competent and wasn't corrupt.
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Percy Member Posts: 22479 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
No one's this thick. This is probably just a poorly conceived "muddying the waters" effort.
Discussion has moved off the original subtitle about Abiy Ahmed winning the Nobel Peace Prize, so I've changed the subtitle to "The Ukraine Crimes," of which there are two:
--Percy Edited by Percy, : Grammar.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9140 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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No one's this thick.
ICANT self proclaims that he is. As would, seemingly, the vast majority of dumpster fire's supporters and that includes all of the GOP Reps and Senators. So a lot of self proclaimed thick people out there.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Chiroptera Inactive Member
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The literal interpretation of specific words is not the only way to convey meaning, intent and message. Certainly that is one way, but it is not the only way. You do understand that, don't you ? It's rather odd the rightwing wasn't this concerned about literal meaning when, say, they were screaming about Ilhan Omar's anti-Semitism.Hard as it is to fathom, Mr President, just because you’re the leader of the free world doesn’t entitle you to a free pass. Unfortunately, just a free press. -- Neil Cavuto
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JoeT Junior Member (Idle past 1605 days) Posts: 8 Joined: |
These are two things that Trump's chief of staff just admitted to.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4408 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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No one's this thick.
ICANT self proclaims that he is. As would, seemingly, the vast majority of dumpster fire's supporters and that includes all of the GOP Reps and Senators.So a lot of self proclaimed thick people out there. Every fucking one of them thinks Trump shits chocolate syrup and they all consider themselves connoisseurs of chocolate.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Jon
JonF writes: No, just a native English speaker who can draw obvious conclusions. You can even examine evidence and draw a conclusion but neither conclusion is necessarily correct.
JonF writes: I want weapons. Where is that statement made in the phone call? I find where President Zelenskyy said:
quote: You can find this statement in the third response from President Zelenskyy @ Transcript: Trump's Ukraine Call Released By White House : NPR But I don't read where he said "I want weapons." It seems to me that your intentions were to conclude that Zelenskyyy said 'give me weapons.' and Trump said, OK if you will get me information. Because that is what you want to believe. See where interpreting someone's intentions can get you. Just stick with the facts. Zeleneskyy was not even ready to purchase the Javelins at the time of the phone call.
JonF writes: I want a favor. Where did Trump use those words? In the quote below I am going to underline the exact words the President used.
quote:This is found in the fourth response of the President Transcript: Trump's Ukraine Call Released By White House : NPR Trump started the sentence stating he would like for Zeleneskyy to do a favor because of all the things that had gone on that Ukraine had knowledge of. He ended this response with "if that's possible. This was specifically talking about what happened in the Russian Collusion fiasco including information about a email server. He specifically mentioned Mueller's investigation. So there is nothing in that response about Biden or his son. By the way Trump was asking that Ukraine assist the Attorney General in that investigation. One that you said Barr was doing.
JonFBarr is conducting an "investigation" of the origins of the Russia investigation So yes there was an investigation ongoing prior too and during the phone call. Now to the Burisma Holding's investigation.
quote:Bloomberg - Are you a robot? Shokin became chief prosecutor in February 2015 and remained until March29 2016 when he was fired. According to the Bloomberg story the investigation had started again at the end of 2015 or they would have included 2016. So apparently Shokin had reopened the investigation and was making too many waves and had to be removed. After his firing a temporary was appointed and finally Yuri Lutsenko settled the cases for a few million dollars in Jan 2017 only 10 months after Shokin was fired. Just smell's kind of like raw sewage to me. The Investigation into Burisma Holdings was re-opened in January 2019.
JonF writes: If there was no quid pro quo Trump would have talked about weapons. Why would Trump mention weapons? Zelenskyy was not ready to purchase the Javelins at the time of the phone call but rather in the future. I am sure if he had been ready to deal Trump would have made a deal, or at least discussed it.
JonF writes: There was and is no ongoing investigation in either Ukraine or the US. But there are. If you will get your head out of the sand you might see them but I doubt it.
JonF writes:
A person bragging about getting a prosecutor fired who happened to be a candidate was mentioned.
A candidate was mentioned. quote: I have seen his speech on TV where he makes that brag so that is a non debatable fact, unless Biden was lying and I can not see for the life of me why he would lie about such an event. He made the threat and received the firing of the prosecutor. Ukraine received the billion+ dollars. Now to me that sounds like a quid pro quo. Or extortion if you prefer. God Bless"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2285 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.2
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He made the threat and received the firing of the prosecutor.
do you believe that Biden was acting on his own? are you that stupid? The removal of the prosecutor had bipartisan support. Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Fix quote box. Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8527 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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And international support.
Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Percy Member Posts: 22479 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo appeared on ABC's This Week with George Stephanopoulos this morning, and here's my paraphrased recollection of one portion:
Much of the interview was evasive like this. I don't know why Pompeo agreed to be on the show if he wasn't prepared to answer most questions. --Percy
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Taq Member Posts: 10033 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Percy writes: Much of the interview was evasive like this. I don't know why Pompeo agreed to be on the show if he wasn't prepared to answer most questions. I wish George Orwell was still alive. That would have made for an interesting interview.
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Well, il Donald has yet another feather to put in his cap; he has kept his promise to lower our debt...NOT!
US deficit rises 26% to the highest level in 7 years. Somebody remind me...who was the President seven years ago?
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
US deficit rises 26% to the highest level in 7 years.
The handwriting is on the wall. People will get the world they want, as you say...but they will try and get the world that they demand. Which will lead to wars and rumors of wars. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: People will get the world they want, as you say...but they will try and get the world that they demand. Wish in one hand, spit in the other. See which gets full first.
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