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Message 2798 of 4573 (849957)
03-27-2019 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 2796 by Faith
03-26-2019 1:16 PM


Re: The Barr Letter on the Mueller Report
Faith, you can post. At least I think so. What have you been up to lately? Is your health ok? Perhaps since you have been away for so long you can just start a new topic and catch us all up as to your current passions and concerns.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Message 2803 of 4573 (850023)
03-28-2019 2:51 PM
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03-27-2019 3:46 PM


Re: The Barr Letter on the Mueller Report
I see why you did what you did. I love Faith, but I agree with you that she needs to toe the line in certain topics...especially those started by others. The ones she starts she can yak till the cows come home, in my opinion.
Faith, I have been growing in Christ, lately. I tend to piss off Conservative Christians more than I do liberal/moderate atheist/humanists, however.
Please, no replies to this post. Let's start a new topic together. I have one that is both true and emotional. It happened to me many years ago and only resurfaced recently. Are you game, Faith?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Message 2825 of 4573 (850773)
04-14-2019 10:38 AM


Who Controls Whom?
Just saw this on you Tube. My question is whether the people have any collective check against the emergency powers act?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Message 3002 of 4573 (857045)
07-05-2019 6:31 AM
Reply to: Message 3001 by jar
07-04-2019 8:58 PM


Meanwhile in Washington DC
Trumps massive propaganda display on the National Mall gained prominent viewership and scored with traditional imagery which spoke to the population. Who is to say we are not a modern Empire?
Washing Post Photos
NPR Photos
Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given.
Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Phat
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Message 3126 of 4573 (858905)
07-25-2019 8:49 AM
Reply to: Message 3125 by Trump won
07-24-2019 4:55 PM


Global Conspiracy from Both Sides
In Brief:
Capitalism(unbridled and unregulated) seeks to entice and dominate the globe through seduction. The right wing goal of eliminating meddlesome government regulation is both a blessing and a curse as to its success.
Socialism seeks to capture and govern the world through oppression via mandatory consensus and government regulation. ringo can crow about how it is what Jesus would approve of yet fails to take into account our fallen (or flawed) human nature.
I am a political moderate. I see pros and cons in both political ideologies.
Of course my world view is shaped by the belief that we humans need Jesus and a spiritual transformation. Ironically, Trump may actually have been destined to step into power in times such as these. He is arguably delaying the demise of the United States as a major player on the global stage. On the other hand, I never had any reason to dislike Barack Obama...as many of my conservative friends do. If one were to choose which of the two would be a possible antichrist archetype, Obama ironically would fit the bill only because he seems so professional, polished, and nice. (Traits that a cunning antichrist would have) while Trump allowed himself to be used by the capitalists as he in turn exploited the system himself for the benefit of his wealthy friends as well as his families success. But he never seems to mind if we know it. And the populist hillbillies love the guy for his gutsy brashness. All I know is that the economy is likely to fall apart during the next presidential term...expect a 10 year correction at best.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Phat
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Message 3237 of 4573 (861574)
08-23-2019 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 3236 by Percy
08-23-2019 9:54 AM


Re: Is there any idiocy he can't get away with
His specialty is stirring up doubt and unbelief (in the system and in official answers)in his base. Perhaps he does not have bad motives, but it is clear that he never agrees with the establishment...perhaps because it is largely liberal and educate.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Message 3423 of 4573 (864427)
10-11-2019 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 3420 by vimesey
10-11-2019 9:35 AM


Re: Abiy Ahmed Wins Nobel Peace Prize
His supporters would be disappointed if he didn't.
In todays news, it appears that The Republicans (whom he needs on his side to fight the impeachment) have blasted him for the Kurdish situation. The only people whom he has left in his camp are the base.
And they are nuts. What I can't figure out is why they are largely Christians!

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

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Message 3464 of 4573 (864647)
10-14-2019 10:17 AM
Reply to: Message 3463 by jar
10-14-2019 9:17 AM


Re: Early Christmas
True, but the question is whether Pence would get re-elected as easily? We know that Trump appeals to his base. But how would Pence play out?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

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Phat
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Message 3524 of 4573 (865519)
10-26-2019 5:02 PM
Reply to: Message 3523 by jar
10-25-2019 2:58 PM


Re: Trump makes Amerca Poorer Again.
US deficit rises 26% to the highest level in 7 years.
The handwriting is on the wall. People will get the world they want, as you say...but they will try and get the world that they demand. Which will lead to wars and rumors of wars.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

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Message 3526 of 4573 (865562)
10-27-2019 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 3525 by jar
10-26-2019 5:30 PM


Re: Trump makes Amerca Poorer Again.
Stop and Think. You have told us that Evangelical Christianity is the greatest threat to world peace. Much of Trumps base is evangelical. They see prosperity and an affluent lifestyle as a God-given right...an inalienable right! They do not trust any foreign interests who compete to take a larger share at our expense. If their money gets taken away or devalued, I know in my heart that they will lobby for a military response in order to secure our interests and prosperity. You may rightly claim that we will fail. To them, we would be failing anyway. A desperate man will do desperate things for survival. The Democrats better have a solution that guarantees affordable health care and retirement to those who worked for it. Otherwise, we will take the world down with us.
Personally, I would not advocate such a solution...but I am wise enough to know that it wont be easily stopped.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

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Message 3567 of 4573 (865866)
11-01-2019 10:58 AM


Judge Pushes Back
Great article on NPR this morning. I have my bag of popcorn and am now sitting back and watching our system of justice do its thing. I am not necessarily out to "get Trump" as so many accuse the political Left of doing. (I consider myself a political moderate) I am interested in uncovering the raw truth--truth unedited, unobstructed, and non-partisan.
Judge Pushes Back On Trump Lawyers Trying To Block Possible Impeachment Witnesses

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

  
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Message 3691 of 4573 (868869)
12-19-2019 10:38 AM
Reply to: Message 3690 by Percy
12-19-2019 10:34 AM


Re: Trump has been impeached.
Link?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction .
"~Thugpreacha
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

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Message 3706 of 4573 (869155)
12-24-2019 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 3693 by Percy
12-20-2019 9:18 AM


Re: An Evangelical Voice Regains its Moral Sanity
Christianity Today again slams Trump, raises issue of 'unconditional loyalty'
Interesting. Once again, Christianity Today speaks out.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction .
"~Thugpreacha
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

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Message 3730 of 4573 (869910)
01-08-2020 4:19 AM


Pot Meet Kettle

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction .
"~Thugpreacha
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
"You may not like it, but the dog bites both ankles."~Tangle

  
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Message 3734 of 4573 (869920)
01-08-2020 4:14 PM
Reply to: Message 3733 by Theodoric
01-08-2020 1:25 PM


Re: Trump and the destruction of the evangelicals.
I never liked Christian nationalism, but if I honestly examine my own values and what I think being a Christian means, I begin to realize that Jesus never cared much for prosperity. He seemed to care more for helping the least of these (people throughout the world) and it seems as if this whole farce with the Evangelicals and Trump has a lot more to do with pushing material prosperity rather than honor and justice (and charity).
I can see why ringo challenges my conscience so often. Perhaps I would be better off being honest and realizing that I embraced Christianity due to the benefits it could have offered me rather than the responsibility I would be charged to provide for others.
All I know is that I am at odds with most of my "Christian" friends and associates. I agree with this article that you posted, and it is a timely and ongoing issue.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction .
"~Thugpreacha
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
"You may not like it, but the dog bites both ankles."~Tangle

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