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ssope
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Message 1 of 7 (864838)
10-17-2019 3:09 PM


If you measure something 20 times and say it's an inch, you're wrong. Your measurement will vary based on the precision of the equipment you used. If you say something can't be in two places at once, you're wrong. Quantum mechanics has proven the superposition principle to be true. If you say time is constant, you're wrong. If GPS didn't take time dilation into account it wouldn't work. If you can't be certain about the simplest of things, explain to me how you are certain that God is not real.

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Message 2 of 7 (864840)
10-17-2019 3:35 PM
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10-17-2019 3:09 PM


Considering This Topic
Hi, ssope. I understand the premise of your topic but I also know the critics here at EvC. They will say that science uses measurements on measurable things and will then ask you how you could even begin to measure something such as God. What examples of ways to measure would we use?

Lets breakdown your topic.

If you measure something 20 times and say it's an inch, you're wrong.
So what if you took an average between the 20 measurements? And for the sake of argument, let's say we are using the best possible equipment with which to measure. I agree with the quantum mechanics argument, but the critics will ask "so what"?

And finally...

explain to me how you are certain that God is not real.
This is the real question, is it not? Do me a favor and edit(rewrite) the opening statement...giving it a bit more thought. Also, which forum do you want your topic started in? If I recall, I promoted your last topic, and you had 17 replies to which you never responded. If we develop this one, let's allow you to participate. Rewrite this and get back to me, giving thought as to whether you wish to argue from a Faith-based perspective or a scientific one. I guess a lot depends on what, if anything, you hope to learn from the feedback.

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Message 3 of 7 (864899)
10-18-2019 5:14 AM
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10-17-2019 3:35 PM


Re: Considering This Topic
There is no claim or mention about "measuring God" in my topic. Your statement there doesn't really make sense to me. Also, it does not matter what device you use, there is an error associated with every measurement. Say you wanted a plant to manufacture a cylinder with an inch radius, as an engineer you would have to use something called geometric dimensions and tolerances to provide that manufacturer with the greatest error your part could tolerate because no one can manufacture an perfect one inch radius cylinder.

This topic is simply presenting a reasonable doubt to people who claim to be certain in their denial of God. It is presenting the inherent uncertainty in the very nature of science.

This might belong in the "is it science?" category

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10-18-2019 5:47 AM
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Re: Considering This Topic
But will you participate? You didn't participate in your last promoted topic at all.

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10-18-2019 11:59 AM
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10-18-2019 5:14 AM


Re: Considering This Topic
This topic is simply presenting a reasonable doubt to people who claim to be certain in their denial of God.
OK I get it. You want to encourage the doubters to reconsider their conclusion.

So again I ask: If I promote it, will you answer the questions that people bring up? You never answered any questions at all in responses to your first promoted topic, The Pristine Question

Because you know that nobody writing in will agree with your premise. Perhaps you can rewrite and give several questions for them to answer. I will then promote...but only on the condition that you participate. The Ball is in your court, Tyler.

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Message 6 of 7 (865597)
10-28-2019 3:48 AM
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10-18-2019 11:59 AM


Re: Considering This Topic
I will participate, but I won't be subjected to immediate responses, I still plan to respond to comments in my first topic. These discussions involve concepts and facts that exist inside an inseparably inter-connected web of other facts and concepts. It is my opinion that all content on this forum should be well thought out, and it should be your opinion too.

Furthermore, to add to this topic, I bring up dark matter to showcase the idea and fact that there are scientific realities that are nearly imperceptible. There are physical characteristics of this reality that are impervious to detection.

Additionally, "our models and theories are representations and approximations of reality as we perceive it. That is not truth. The biggest giveaway is that scientific theories change with time. As we acquire new information or new data we have to update all of our beliefs. So how can it be the absolute truth if it is subject to change at a moment's notice"
-->Paul Sutter

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10-28-2019 4:04 AM


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