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Regarding the illusion of confidence

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Tangle
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Message 8 of 18 (865606)
10-28-2019 4:34 AM

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Additionally, "our models and theories are representations and approximations of reality as we perceive it. That is not truth. The biggest giveaway is that scientific theories change with time. As we acquire new information or new data we have to update all of our beliefs. So how can it be the absolute truth if it is subject to change at a moment's notice"
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Science does not deal in 'absolute truths' or 'beliefs'. Neither do its theories 'change at a moments notice'.
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It's science that tells you that the accuracy of measurements are dependent on multiple variables. It calculates the error bars expected when taking the measurements. It's science that tells you the properties of quantum mechanics and it's science that allows you to talk the bollox you will undoubtedly talk about dark matter.
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If you can't be certain about the simplest of things, explain to me how you are certain that God is not real?
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And that's the inevitable total non sequitur. Knowing that there's a error range in measuring a meter length has nothing to do with whether there's a god or not.
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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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10-28-2019 7:27 AM 		Reply to: Message 9 by ssope
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You're not using those words correctly. Truth = a fact or belief that is accepted. Belief = an acceptance that a concept is true. Fact = a thing that is known or proved to be true
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Absolute truths and beliefs are the territory of religion, not science. Sciences conclusions are tentative and subject to refinements.
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Science doesn't "tell you" anything, the mind forms conclusions based on the instruments you used to obtain the raw information
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And that's what we call science
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What is "it"? Science is a systematically organized body of knowledge. Science is not arithmetic.
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Science includes maths.
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Also, you highlight my mention of dark matter in a derogatory way without providing a reason to view it that way.
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We have experience here of fundamentalist idiots trying to jemmy their beliefs into the latest scientific discovery in an attempt to find their god hiding there. Let's hope that you're not just another of them eh? It's not a good start.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
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"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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