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Author Topic:   Health 4 Life~The Science Behind Consumption
Thugpreacha
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Message 121 of 128 (847771)
01-26-2019 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by Lammy
01-26-2019 12:20 PM


Day 2
From what I've read, the 2nd and 3rd days are the toughest. Ketones kick in after that and many people report that they have no hunger pangs at all....apart from, as you say, emotional issues. Carbohydrates have become a literal addiction in our modern society. I work in a grocery store, and everywhere I look are shelves upon shelves filled with chips, snacks, bread, pastries, and freezers full of frozen processed foods. I also watch what people buy. The perspective is sobering.

I plan on fasting no more than 5 days and then going back on low carb and salads. I believe that 5 days is a healthy limit for this fast. I can only do it due to the fact that I am off work until Thursday. I should reintroduce bone broth and limited eating on Wednesday and resume healthy normal eating on thursday.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Thugpreacha
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Message 122 of 128 (847799)
01-27-2019 7:44 AM
Reply to: Message 121 by Thugpreacha
01-26-2019 1:11 PM


Day 1 Again
I fell off the wagon late on Day 2. In retrospect, I entertained the idea of eating and gave in to it. When it comes to food, however, I don't treat eating as an addiction since eating is necessary for life. There is a lot of complex science and variables involved in body chemistry. I'm trying again, however. I want to get 5 days under my belt. (metaphorically and actually)

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Message 123 of 128 (847813)
01-27-2019 3:09 PM
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01-27-2019 7:44 AM


Re: Day 1 Again
I told you. Hunger pangs aren't that bad. Just drink plenty of water and it will go away. It's the emotional hunger that will get you to fail.

Perhaps this will help. You don't need to go on an extended fast right away. Try these 2 things to ease your body into an extended fast to minimize your emotional hunger.

(1) Work your way toward OMAD (one meal a day). You can start by not eating breakfast and wait till lunch. Once you're ok with that, skip lunch and don't eat until dinner. You can either aim for OMAD or intermittent fasting. Then eventually, you can skip a day. Then 2 days. Etc.

(2) Work your way out of picky eating. Don't deny this. Just don't. Every picky eater I have ever encountered deny they are picky. What do I mean by picky eater? From my perspective, if you can't eat just plain oatmeal with absolutely nothing else added to it, you are a picky eater. If you can't eat just plain brown/white rice with absolutely nothing else added to it, you're a picky eater.

I have found that most westerners for some reason are picky eaters. They absolutely have to add a ton of salt, oil, sugar, etc. to their food before they can eat it.

Your picky eating habits contribute a quite a bit to your emotional hunger. What is emotional hunger? It is you missing all that taste and texture in your mouth, on your tongue, etc. Emotional hunger is what causes people to keep eating even though they are full.

If you can do those 2 things, your chances of success in regard to extended water fasting will be a lot more than now.


If you say the word "gullible" slowly, it sounds like oranges. Go ahead and try it.

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Thugpreacha
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Message 124 of 128 (864765)
10-16-2019 12:09 PM


Day 2 Remix
So I revisited this old thread and found my old January 2019 sticking point!
Phat in January writes:

I fell off the wagon late on Day 2. In retrospect, I entertained the idea of eating and gave in to it. When it comes to food, however, I don't treat eating as an addiction since eating is necessary for life. There is a lot of complex science and variables involved in body chemistry. I'm trying again, however. I want to get 5 days under my belt. (metaphorically and actually)

I made it through Day 1 and it was not as bad as I feared it might be. Today is Day 2 again, and I am heeding the warnings that my earlier failure brought me. The reasons for this Fast are complex, but sound.

  • My blood sugars were 9.2 early in October and I have an eye operation on November 12th. I simply had to get these sugars under control in a speedy fashion---which only a fast can do.
  • The science is sound for a limited fast. It won't hurt me, but it is mos def not going to be easy. I was getting frustrated with a lack of resolution of my problems and challenges and decided to take drastic action.
  • I have read many reports of a stronger sense of spirituality and connection with ones belief. Jesus fasted. Ghandi fasted. It is sometimes frustrating to debate spirituality here at EvC and I need a stronger sense of faith. Despite jars advice, I ain't throwing nothing away...on the contrary, I'm digging in and doubling down. I already believe that God is alive within me, but I need to fight the crap that causes doubt and uncertainty. This fast will do this, I believe.

    Today is Day 2 again. I have fasted 24 hours so far. Stay tuned. I work 8 hours.

    Water only. And some clay, to help clean out my intestines.


    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

    “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
    ? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith


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    Thugpreacha
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    Message 125 of 128 (864766)
    10-16-2019 12:11 PM
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    01-27-2019 3:09 PM


    Re: Day 1 Again
    What have you been doing, Lammy? How is your health journey?

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

    “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
    ? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith


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    Theodoric
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    Message 126 of 128 (864768)
    10-16-2019 12:39 PM
    Reply to: Message 124 by Thugpreacha
    10-16-2019 12:09 PM


    Re: Day 2 Remix
    And some clay, to help clean out my intestines.

    Intestines are self cleansing. Detoxifiers and intestine cleansers are snake oil. If you want to assist take fiber supplements. There is no scientific evidence(yeah I know that means nothing to you) that any of these cleansers or detoxifiers do a damn thing.

    Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

    "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

    If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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    Thugpreacha
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    Message 127 of 128 (865607)
    10-28-2019 5:20 AM
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    10-16-2019 12:39 PM


    Re: Day 2 Remix
    I dunno...can we trust Iran?

    Iranian journal of public health.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

    “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
    ? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith


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    Theodoric
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    Message 128 of 128 (865619)
    10-28-2019 9:37 AM
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    10-28-2019 5:20 AM


    Re: Day 2 Remix
    A realistic look with actual links to the actual sources and studies.
    https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/detox-diets-101#toxins

    More reality
    https://www.cosmopolitan.com/...s/a50205/do-detox-diets-work


    Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

    "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

    If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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