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AZPaul3
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Message 781 of 796 (863543)
09-27-2019 9:39 AM
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09-27-2019 4:32 AM


Re: Johnathan Pie nails it again...
So the little squeaky thing was Boris? Explains a lot.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 782 of 796 (863545)
09-27-2019 10:00 AM
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09-27-2019 9:39 AM


Re: Johnathan Pie nails it again...
Yeah - he hasn't changed much.

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Message 783 of 796 (863561)
09-27-2019 11:11 AM
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09-27-2019 10:00 AM


Re: Johnathan Pie nails it again...
Except, I should add, that his current puppeteer is Dominic Cummings, instead of the original Paul Smith.

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Diomedes
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Message 784 of 796 (864756)
10-16-2019 9:26 AM


A possible Brexit deal in sight?
Several news papers are stating that a Brexit deal between Boris Johnson's administration and the EU may be on the brink of success.

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-the-papers-50064165

At first I thought it might just be smoke and mirrors. But several EU leaders have confirmed that talks are yielding some positive momentum and that a deal may be on the verge of being ratified.

Of course, said deal would still have to pass parliament. But it looks like Boris may have 'some deal' ready for the special session of parliament this weekend.


  
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Message 785 of 796 (864804)
10-17-2019 12:46 AM


Albania & Serbia agreed to move toward open borders between the people.
The U.K. joined in bombing Serbia over the ethnic based-conflict 20 years ago.

Now that these two nation's have leaders that are trying to open borders, we see that the U.K. is going for a "deal" that includes closed borders and no freedom of movement for dozens of (E.U.) country's people that previously COULD move to the U.K.

How many steps forward?

How many backward?

I can't add all the worldwide positives and negatives up (so I can't say if things are getting better or worse at the net level), but the recent (after the June 23, 2016 incident ) U.K. policy changes are just plain gross.

If the world is opening borders overall, then Sub-Saharan Africa gets the lion's share of credit, or I SHOULD SAY the continent collectively should.

A big boo for the United Kingdom.


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Diomedes
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Message 786 of 796 (864813)
10-17-2019 9:04 AM


UK and EU agree to new Brexit deal
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A Brexit deal has been agreed between UK and EU negotiating teams before a meeting of European leaders in Brussels.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson tweeted: "We've got a great new deal that takes back control."

The two sides have been working on the legal text of a deal, but it will still need the approval of both the UK and European parliaments.


https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-50079385

Of course, this would still have to be approved by Parliament. And that is a big 'if' since the DUP has stated they won't support it.


  
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Message 787 of 796 (864824)
10-17-2019 10:14 AM
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10-17-2019 12:46 AM


Re: Albania & Serbia agreed to move toward open borders between the people.
I am not for closed borders, byt I am also not for unrestricted open borders. It will cause wars either way.

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Message 788 of 796 (864828)
10-17-2019 10:48 AM
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10-17-2019 10:14 AM


Re: Albania & Serbia agreed to move toward open borders between the people.
Would you expect war between Iowa and Illinois?

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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AZPaul3
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Message 789 of 796 (864971)
10-19-2019 4:07 PM


Letwin? Let Lose? Let Confuse?
OK, so what the hell just happened? What is this Letwin Amendment?

From what I see this Letwin thing said Parliament would not vote on Boris’ Brexit deal until it discussed and passed the Brexit deal. Say what?


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Diomedes
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Message 790 of 796 (865028)
10-20-2019 10:12 AM
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10-19-2019 4:07 PM


Re: Letwin? Let Lose? Let Confuse?
OK, so what the hell just happened? What is this Letwin Amendment?
From what I see this Letwin thing said Parliament would not vote on Boris’ Brexit deal until it discussed and passed the Brexit deal. Say what?

In a nutshell, the Letwin Amendment is an extra 'insurance policy' for the Benn Act, which essentially makes it clear that the Prime Minister has to ask the EU for an extension to the Article 50 deadline. The concern was that they didn't want a vote on the deal prior to the PM asking for the extension because they thought Boris might find a way to circumvent the extension request.

Interestingly, Boris has indeed sent a letter to the EU asking for an extension. But it was unsigned. He then also sent a second letter, which was signed, telling the EU that he thinks an extension is a mistake. So its an interesting case of a world leader basically sending bipolar signals to the EU.

I am actually quite curious what the EU will do at this point. From my point of view, I think it might actually be in their best interest to reject the extension request. That would put all the onus on the UK to either accept the new deal, leave without a deal or cancel Article 50.

Most of what is going right now in the UK is political maneuvering. All political parties are trying to engineer a scenario that they think will be most beneficial for them in the election that is likely to come.


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Message 791 of 796 (865123)
10-21-2019 2:39 AM
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10-19-2019 4:07 PM


Re: Letwin? Let Lose? Let Confuse?
The Letwin amendment requires that the house do not vote on the withdrawal agreement untill the legislation is in place.

Some MPs feared that even if the deal was voted through, without leglistation in place to to force the PM to enact the deal, he could still opt to crash out with no deal. (a possible loophole to the Benn Act). They wanted this loophole closed.

So this amendment is basically parliament making clear that they do not trust the current prime minister.


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Diomedes
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Message 792 of 796 (865150)
10-21-2019 11:33 AM


Speaker Bercow blocks vote on Johnson's Deal
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The Commons Speaker has refused a government request to hold a "yes" or "no" vote on its Brexit deal.

John Bercow said a motion on the deal had already been brought before MPs on Saturday, and it would be "repetitive and disorderly" to debate it again.

Saturday's sitting saw an amended motion nodded through by MPs, which withholds approval of Boris Johnson's deal until it has been passed into law.

The PM agreed a deal with the EU last week, but it must be approved by MPs.

Speaking in the Commons, Mr Bercow said he came to the decision on the basis of a parliamentary convention dating back to 1604.

He cited Parliament's rulebook, Erskine May, which says a motion that is the same "in substance" as a previous one cannot be brought back to the Commons during the course of a single parliamentary session.


https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-50128740

Another setback for Boris.


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Message 793 of 796 (865152)
10-21-2019 11:41 AM
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10-21-2019 11:33 AM


Re: Speaker Bercow blocks vote on Johnson's Deal
But obviously the right decision. Attempting to evade the Letwin Amendment by holding the vote a couple of days later is not and should not be acceptable.

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Message 794 of 796 (865621)
10-28-2019 10:17 AM


EU agrees to Brexit extension until January 31st
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EU leaders have agreed in principle to extend Brexit until 31 January 2020 - meaning the UK will not leave as planned on Thursday.

EU Council President Donald Tusk said it was a "flextension" - meaning the UK could leave before the deadline if a deal was approved by Parliament.

It comes as MPs prepare to vote on proposals by Boris Johnson for an early general election on 12 December.


https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-50205603

Looks like The Never Ending Story is going to continue a while longer. And you Brits will likely be having an election shortly.


  
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Message 795 of 796 (866827)
11-16-2019 11:37 AM


Jonathan Pie - UK Election 2019
A couple of good Jonathan Pie rants here:


  
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