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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Well, that was predictable.
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Well, that was predictable. Correct, their behavior was totally predictable.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2285 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.4
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and those congressmen were incapable of asking the other republicans on the committees what was going on? You do know that the Democrats aren't the only ones on the committees right?
It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5948 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5
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Oh but we are assured day in and ady out that they've got the goods on Trump coming and going. That's been the endless chant for three years. Percy gives such lists and dwise just put one up on another thread. See my reference to it in Message 3211 on the Right Side of the News thread. There's nothing there, PK, you are all falling for propaganda, smoke and mirrors, or maybe you're not falling for it, you're in on it. Yet again you are deliberately lyeing! In that "reply" you never replied to what I had written, which was an attempt to explain to you the difference between impeachable offenses and actual crimes. From my Message 3210, here it is again:
DWise1 writes:
Think maybe you should try to actually reply instead of the typical Trumpist BS of deflect and divert? Never, because he's committed nothing that rises to unethical or criminal behavior, it's all invented by the Left just because you don't like his personality.
Again, completely and utterly false. However, it is obvious that you are completely lost in any questions about Trump's vast wrongdoings and what they will mean for him. They break down into impeachable offenses, violations of the law, and crimes against humanity:
As to the question of actual offenses that Trump has committed, I offered you a short list a couple times, such as in Message 3205 (second iteration):
DWise1 writes: Never, because he's committed nothing that rises to unethical or criminal behavior, ...
A complete and utter bullshit liie! Like you always liie! As I enumerated in Message 3073, to which all you did was to deny the truth!:
DWise1 writes: Faithless writes:
Completely false! Trump has committed no crimes. Without having to think hard:
Of course, there are also questions about the sources of Trump's income flows. If they turn out to be Russian, then that could help to explain why with Trump all roads lead to Putin. As a brief aside, let us review the espionage methods for recruiting assets: MICE -- Money, Ideology, Compromise/Coercion, Ego/Extortion. In my 35 years in the US military, I have received standard counter-intelligence training many times. One theme that kept cropping up was that most Americans who sell out their country do so for money; that makes Americans just about the easiest ones to turn just by throwing enough money at them. Of course, Trump is all about the money. And anything that fluffs his ego (reference to porn film fluffers) will definitely have his attention -- eg, reference the at least twice daily "fluffer briefings" especially prepared for Trump to show him all the positive press supporting him. And of course Trump has no ideology. But then there's the matter of compromise. Just coming in the first day, Trump was compromised by Russia. All during his campaign, Trump was supposed to have no financial ties with Russia. Yet all that time, he was still negotiating his Moscow Trump tower with the necessary powers, including Putin. He lied to the people and to the government about having financial ties to Russia. Russia knew that he was lying. Trump knew that Russia knew that he was lying. Putin is KGB ("Committee of Public Safety", if you read the actual Russian which I used to be able to do after a fashion). The KGB knows MICE very well indeed and are artists in its use. Putin knows what compromise is and how to exploit it. Even just with that one "Moscow Tower" lie, Trump was compromised from the very beginning. There still remain far too many questions about Trump's income stream, all of which must still be investigated. Yet Trump insists on preventing all such investigation. So what is he trying to cover up? So, Faith. Do you really think that Trump has committed no crimes? Then what are your answers to every single point I raised? You can start by explaining the emoluments issues raised by his use of golf trips to funnel government money into his own pocket. Or by his trying to use his Doral resort to host next year's G-7 meeting. Please explain to us how that does not enrich him at government expense, which is disallowed by the US Constitution. Or how foreign governments have been funneling through Trump's hotels what basically amount to bribes (eg, Saudis paying $725,000 for a block of rooms in his International Hotel in order to recruit unknowing veterans to lobby against a bill). IOW, for once in your life try to pretend that you are one of the "normal thinking people" and actually think about what Trump's doing. You know, when the impeachment hearings go public in mid-November, it's going to be harder and harder for you to ignore reality. You had absolutely nothing to say about those except to falsely claim that they don't exist. Yet they do exist. So then I took just one single offense, Trump's profiteering from his golf trips in direct violation and domestic emoluments and all kinds of corruption laws, and I directly requested that you explain to us why those are "lying crap". From Message 3207:
DWise1 writes: I leave it to those from whom I get most of my opinions these days to answer all that lying crap. The typical response of a **** caught in her lyes.
What specific items in my list are you calling "lying crap"? Point them out! Explain to us why they are "lying crap"! Of course, you never will, because you have just been caught yet again in yet another liee. Let's take the emoluments issue I raised of Trump's incessant golf trips:
Trump goes golfing extremely frequently. In just two years, his time golfing far exceeded what Obama had put in in his entire eight years in office. Are you calling that "lying crap"? Please explain why. Trump goes to his own golf resorts each time. He has many options, including the one that Obama frequently used (the golf course on a nearby military base, which already had some security and which saved in travel costs by only requiring a motorcade) or to any golf resort in which he does not own any financial interest in (thus removing any appearance of conflict of interest). But instead he always goes to his own golf resorts. In doing so, he is directing government expeditures to his own business. Are you calling that "lying crap"? Please explain why. Golf courses and resorts charge you money to play there. There are also charges to rent various things, such as golf carts. Note that not only would Trump and those he's playing with would require carts, but Trump security and support retinue would also need carts. Are you calling that "lying crap"? Please explain why. Hotels and restaurants are present at golf resorts. Trump's golf resorts also have them. Are you calling that "lying crap"? Please explain why. Hotels charge you to stay in one of their rooms, along with whatever other expenses you rack up by staying there (eg, movie rentals, room service, mini-bar). Are you calling that "lying crap"? Please explain why. Restaurants and bars charge you for food and drink. Are you calling that "lying crap"? Please explain why. While at Trump's golf resorts, Trump and his entire party (including support and security) need rooms to stay in and they also need to eat and drink. They will be charged for those services. Are you calling that "lying crap"? Please explain why. The government pays the tab for all that. That is to say that we taxpayers are paying the tab for all that. Are you calling that "lying crap"? Please explain why. Trump owns those golf resorts -- even though the actual legalistic chain of ownership might be through Trump companies, he is ultimately the owner. Are you calling that "lying crap"? Please explain why. Profits from those golf resorts get distributed however, but ultimately Trump receives a profit from those golf resort profits. Are you calling that "lying crap"? Please explain why. Trump's decision to go only to his own golf resorts is what results in government (ie, taxpayer) money to be paid to those golf resorts. He could (and should!) choose to go elsewhere in order to avoid the appearance of conflict of interest and self-dealing, but he does not. Are you calling that "lying crap"? Please explain why. Because Trump is profiting from government expenditures based solely on his decision to direct business to his own businesses, he is in clear and blatant violation of the Domestic Emoluments Clause of the Constitution of the United States of America:
quote:The president's salary, currently $400,000 a year, must remain constant throughout the president's term -- though independently wealth presidents (eg, JFK) can and have waived that salary. The president may not receive other compensation from either the federal or any state government. Are you calling that "lying crap"? Please explain why. Now, any normal thinking person would have gone through the same line of reasoning to arrive at the conclusion that Trump is profiting from his golf trips and that that is not acceptable -- since I'm having to explain it to you, I had to really dumb it down and state so many obvious things that anyone familiar with the real world would know (eg, that hotels and restaurants charge for their services). But not you, since you are incapable of thinking. Not only that, but you run away terrified of any challenge to get you to think or even to support any of your crazed delusions. I know full well that you will not even attempt to explain why any of that is "lying crap". Instead, you will run away terrified of reality and the truth as always. And indeed, what you did was to run away terrified of reality and the truth as always. You never did reply to that message. So why is it that you can never reply to actual issues but must always resort to flat-out lyeing? Edited by dwise1, : Had forgotten to copy the text "lying crap" to the intro of that last section. Sorry.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5948 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5
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I guess that I should mention this as well, for us to better understand the impeachment.
From Day One and before, Trump has been abusing his office in plain site day after day after day. Not only has Trump demonstrated practically every day how unsuited to his office he is, but he has also repeatedly demonstrated the truth of Rep. Pelosi's remark to him: (quoted from memory) "With you all paths lead to Putin." In short, we suffer from an embarrassment of abundance of evidence against Trump. So much that the sheer volume would overwhelm the minds of the public, which leads the Democrats to a kind of dilemma. Key to a successful impeachment is public opinion. Much of Trump has been doing is as massive yet slow encroachments (analogies include boiling a frog slowly such that he never notices, and the Nazi encroachments on freedoms step by step never crossing a perceptible line that might trigger alarm). To get public notice and hold the public attention you need something big, like Trump's Ukrainian phone call. But putting all your eggs into that one basket, especially considering your overabundance of eggs, could be dangerous. The public needs one or a few singular offenses to concentrate on. But at the same time there are so many other impeachable offenses. Include too many and you might lose the public as they get confused, but include too few and you might miss the chance of actually getting him convicted (remember, they only need convict him on one article of impeachment). That is the main debate among the Democrats, which might become more visible when the actual impeachment hearings begin starting around mid-November.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Trump has done nothing, and on the phone call to the Ukraine he committee no offense whatever. If he had done even one thing he is accused of he would have long since been impeached. It's all a huge hallucination on the part of the Left.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5948 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5
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Trump has done nothing, and on the phone call to the Ukraine he committee no offense whatever. Oh, Trump has been very busy. And that business with the Ukraine is not just one phone call, but rather months of maneuvering, applying pressure since before Zelensky entered office, eliminating career diplomats who knew how things actually work and hence would spot the "drug deal" being hatched by Giuliani and the Three Amigos. And then there's Frik and Frak AKA "Lev and Igor". Rudy, Lev, and Igor have had a lot of contact and contacts with Trump for about half a decade, which might suggest that Trump could have some interest in their schemes. There's even a picture of Lev and Igor and Don Jr. and this guy who's the head of a pro-Trump campaign PAC, America First, into which Lev and/or Igor had donated money from a Russian oligarch they work for, possibly Dmytro Firtash (Ukrainian oligarch hiding out in Vienna fighting extradition with an army of lawyers ... and the author of the idiotic conspiracy theories that Giuliani waves around and that Trump is forcing Zelensky to investigate. Tell us truthfully, has the Fake News Network ever made any mention of Lev and Igor? Or of the "shadow Ukraine diplomacy" run by Giuliani and the Three Amigos (Gordon Sondland, Kurt Volker, Rick Perry) to seize control of the major Ukrainian gas and oil company? I didn't think so. You might want to start studying up on reality now. So that it won't be as massive of a shock when reality bites you.
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Taq Member Posts: 10038 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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Faith writes: Trump has done nothing, Really?
quote: There has already been one State Department official who has sworn under oath that there was a quid pro quo of aid and support for an announcement of investigations against Biden.
If he had done even one thing he is accused of he would have long since been impeached. How fast do you think this should go? It hasn't even been two months.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Taylor is a leftist anti Trump schemer who was involved with Soros and Hunter Biden in somethin I didn't hear very clearly on Limbaugh this morning, as I just reported on the other thread in answer to you. All this is more leftist shenanigans all a charade -- "shock and bewilderment" indeed -- to sound like Trump did something wrong when all the wrongdoing is on the left. According to many I've heard over the last few days, Ratcliffe shredded Taylor's "testimony" in that closed-door meeting but Schiff won't release the transcript.
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Taq Member Posts: 10038 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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Faith writes: Taylor is a leftist anti Trump schemer who was involved with Soros and Hunter Biden in somethin I didn't hear very clearly on Limbaugh this morning, as I just reported on the other thread in answer to you. Lol. This is what we mean by Republicans being unable to address the facts. Smearing the witness does not make the facts go away.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Don't confuse "Republicans" with me please, I don't claim to get it all straight, I'm just trying to put up what little I'm able to catch. I'm sure Ratcliffe dealt with the facts but we don't have the transcript of that cross examination thanks to the liar Schiff.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2285 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.4
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Taylor is a leftist anti Trump schemer who was involved with Soros and Hunter Biden
boy think how stupid the person who hired him must be.
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Taq Member Posts: 10038 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Faith writes: I'm sure Ratcliffe dealt with the facts but we don't have the transcript of that cross examination thanks to the liar Schiff. The real question is if you will give Trump a pass even if all of these charges are corroborated. Do you think a president should be removed from office if they use tax payer dollars to get personal benefits from a foreign power? If Hillary had withheld aid from Ukraine to get dirt on Republican opponents, would you be calling for her to be removed from office?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Faith writes: I'm sure Ratcliffe dealt with the facts but we don't have the transcript of that cross examination thanks to the liar Schiff. The real question is if you will give Trump a pass even if all of these charges are corroborated. Nothing the Left has been putting its hopes on has panned out. The Mueller Report came up with nothing so now they are looking for anything at all they can turn into an impeachable offense. Oh they may succeed, I don't know, but so far Trump appears to be innocent of everything they throw at him. Much to their chagrin.
Do you think a president should be removed from office if they use tax payer dollars to get personal benefits from a foreign power? He didn't. It was not Trump but Joe Biden who used taxpayer money to get personal benefits from a foreign power. and yes of course I find this reprehensible. This is contested so fine, let the truth come out about Biden and everybody. But Trump did no such thing. There was no quid pro quo at all, period, but the only hint that there might have been is not in relation to getting information about Biden, which idea is utterly ridiculous anyway since Biden was not his opponent for the next election and is not likely to be, but about the investigation into the 2016 election, which was underway through Barr and Durham and Horowitz, and may they soon get out their findings. It is perfectly accept able common practice to withhold aid for help in such an investigation, in which it is known that the foreign power was involved, but the fact is that aid was not withheld as the Ukrainian leader himself said, and we know the aid was received.
If Hillary had withheld aid from Ukraine to get dirt on Republican opponents, would you be calling for her to be removed from office? She did worse. She paid for a lying dossier of dirt on Trump that came from Russia though it was a Brit who sold it to her. Ukraine supported her in the election against Trump and according to Politico (see Message 3099 on the Right Side of the News thread) it had an effect on the election too. I'm defending Trump because I know he's innocent and that he's been the target of a witch hunt by the Democrats since before he got into office. They've found nothing, they've invented reams of accusations but found nothing that deserves impeachment or criminal charges. You call make lists and lists of his supposed crimes and misdemeanors but none of them even comes close to the list of actual felonies Starr came up with against Clinton. It's all wishful thinking. You are asking me what I think of made-up allegations that have no legal standing at all. Maybe they will eventually but they don't now, they are all the wishful thinking of the Democrats who hate Trump and are still smarting from Hillary's loss of the election to him. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
Lies and trolling. No evidence, no actual argument. Typical Faith. Lies and trolling, nothing more.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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