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Author Topic:   The Founding Myth: Why Christian Nationalism Is Un-American
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Message 2 of 7 (865717)
10-29-2019 4:41 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Phat
10-29-2019 9:49 AM

This looks like a good book. On the surface, it seems fair and balanced. I have as yet only read the amazon preview.

I don't know if I'd go so far to say that it is "un-American" but there is a lot of evidence to suggest that the notion of American being a "Christian Nation" runs counter to the Founding Fathers intentions.

The term "separation of church and state" derives from a letter written to the Danbury Baptists of Connecticut explaining to them that they should have no fear that the gov't would institute a national religion.

Likewise, Thomas Jefferson also wrote a treatise concerning the Barbary Wars sent to Muslims that detailed the United States as specifically not a Christian nation.

My take is that colonial Americans certainly mostly were religious, specifically Christian as it was a custom past down from its European past, but that the government itself sought to remain completely neutral. Therefore the invocation of the US being a "Christian Nation" is prefaced on a distortion of the facts.

But I wouldn't go so far to call it un-American.

Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Message 4 of 7 (865727)
10-29-2019 6:35 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by RAZD
10-29-2019 5:50 PM

When they try to impose religious based laws over people of different beliefs it is unconstitutional and when they claim authority from belief over that of the constitution it is un-American.

You're right, that aspect is completely and fundamentally un-American as it flies in the face of the Bill of Rights. Sometimes we hear convenient ways around it, "I answer to a higher a law," which is really an excuse to replace constitutional law with religious dogma.

Christians should be happy here, and they should embrace full separation of Church and State. That they aren't is their fault and their narrow-mindedness.

I'm sure if Pence or Huckabee could have his way he would subvert the US into essentially a Christian caliphate (his denomination of course), but they would never view such a usurpation in those terms. Kind of amazing how frenetic many fundies are over Islam without seeing the obvious parallels between the two religious.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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