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Hi Dr So a bunch of crooks wanted the prosecutor fired. That does not have anything to do with the fact that Vice President Joe Biden said fire him in the next 6 hours or you don't get 1 billion+ dollars, and he was fired.Nothing changes the fact that Hunter Biden was a board member of a company that was under investigation at the time.God BlessEdited by AdminPhat, : fixed subtitle

Hi Taq Where is any such condition placed on military aid, in the transcript? Where in the transcript did Trump ask Zelinsky to dig up dirt on his political opponents? As above, where in the transcript did Trump make any demands, with consequences if not met?Since Trump released the transcript after obtaining Zelinsky's permission, where did he try to hide anything? What specific charge of abuse of power are you referring too?What obstruction of congress are you talking about?The Executive branch and congress are two co-equal branches of our government.The Judicial branch is the one to decide problems between those two.
So if the President refuses to allow his employees to testify before congress and documents to not be produced the congress can go to the courts and let them decide.Was it obstruction of congress when the Obama administration failed to produce people to testify and documents in the Fast and Furious gun running investigation? Documents are still not available. What does approval rating have to do with whether a person has committed a crime or not committed a crime?Clinton was impeached for lying under oath and obstruction of justice
by the Republican majority House. The Senate did not convict. The next election the Republicans lost their majority in the House.
That is the history I was talking about.Produce a specific crime Trump has committed. Remember evidence counts, not assumptions.God Bless

Hi Taq They go to Washington as poor folks, or middle class folks and leave rich that does not compute as being squeaky clean. I don't trust any politician.I don't believe anything I read in the news or hear, and very little of what I see. I am a total skeptic. Shokin had only been on the job 11 months when Biden made his demand. There was not even a coalition government formed at that time. So was Shokin corrupt before he took office. But he had worked in the prosecutor's office for many years, where are the complaints from then. In 11 months he would barely have time to go over the cases that was in progress and decide which was the most pressing to prosecute.Shokin said in a statement under oath he was asked to resign for the good of the country as Biden was withholding 1 billion aid until he was fired. At that time he was aggressively working on the investigation of Burisma Holdings Ltd which Hunter Biden was on the board.Hunter Biden was asked on national TV if he would have been offered a job and working on the board of Burisma if his name was not Biden. His answer was no.Since Shokin's replacement prosecutor settled the case against Burisma Holdings for a fine of a few million dollars. Nobody went to jail that I can find.God Bless

Hi RAZD I like you and you have already convicted Trump of an impeachable offense.If the House had presented any impeachable offense I would say they were wrong in their early decision. But since non exist so far I got no problem with it. Just like I don't have a problem with your decision.
I have faith that enough would make the right decision if evidence was presented. He has lost over a billion dollars since becoming President. Don't sound like he is making a profit to me. No charges of obstruction was presented. The executive and the congress are co-equal branches of government.
If the congress wants to make Trump comply all they have to do is take him to court and let the court decide. They haven't because they are afraid the court will support Trumps decision. Veto votes are not treason, that is just the president disagreeing with congress. Trump has been tougher on Russia than any previous president. Especially the one that stated, you can tell putin that after the election I can be more flexable. Nuclear power plants are a long way from giving information on nuclear bomb making. Saudi Arabia could have nuclear bomb making information as simple as making a deal with North Korea, they have the money to buy anything they want. The closest I have seen to that is him telling Russia if they had Hillary's email's he would like to have them.As far as asking a foreign government to investigate a US citizen's dealings in their country is not asking to help him in his election. Get your head out of the sand. What RINO republican paid anything for the dossier? No prosecutor can acquit a suspect of anything as that is not their job. A prosecutors job is to gather the evidence and then state he has enough evidence to proceed with a prosecution or that does not have enough evidence to proceed. He did not have enough evidence to proceed with a prosecution. His mandate was not to prosecute the President. His mandate according to him was to examine the evidence and present it to the DOJ. That means if he found enough evidence to charge a crime he was to report it to the DOJ, what they did with it would have been their business as it was not his business. NoneBut the democrats and their loyal press had already prepared their insurance policy. That is the reason that the day after the election it was reported that now the impeachment begins. And because he looked uncomfortable to you, you make certain assumptions.
He didn't look uncomfortable to me. Where is any of that statement made in the transcript? RAZD I have always believed you to be a good debater who used very precise words to support your points.So I ask you now is there any statement in green that is soliciting military aid from Trump?Is there any demand in blue or green for Zelenskyy to preform any act?If there is no request and no compensation for fulfilling that request what is the problem?On the other hand Biden said fire the prosecutor or you will not get the billion dollars. At the same time his Son Hunter sat on the board of a company the prosecutor was investigating and had been ordered to wind up the investigation.Biden's actions is declared OK but Trumps requests for an investigation into things that took place involving US citizens in Ukraine is not OK.BTW I just saw Sen Manchin D WV say there had been no evidence presented so for to support impeachment. So he is presently a NO vote in the Senate. Where was there a request for more arms in the transcript?I see where Zelenskyy said they were almost ready to buy more javlins, so he was not requesting military aid. I don't see any place in the transcript where Giuliani said anything.So you would impeach the president on what someone else said.God Bless,

Hi Paul Sitting on the sidelines allowing the Government employees to do their job.Since when is it an abuse of power to protect Federal Buildings from being destroyed by a mob determined to destroy the Federal buildings in Portland?God Bless,

Hi Paul, Extrajudicial methods. Do you mean arresting people and charging then with a felony when they deface a federal building. That is a felony not a right.When you got people attacking you with all kinds of projectiles including molotov
cocktail's you would not want to have your Church clothes on.no insignia, no ID, Why would any of those things be required as long as they are on the Federal Property protecting it from the people determined to destroy the buildings.operating in a police function without local authority, Why is any local authority required when it is mandated by the constitution that the Federal employees protect the buildings. It can get bad enough that the marines can be deployed to protect the Federal Buildings just as they do in foreign countries.arresting people without warrant, Since when is a warrant required to arrest someone in the process of committing a felony. Defacing a Federal Building is a Felony.taking violent action against peaceful protesters for exercising a constitutional right..
I haven't seen anyone arrested for exercising their right of peaceful protesting.For a protest to be peaceful there can be no impediment to foot traffic or auto traffic. No missiles of any kind can be thrown at buildings or those protecting the Federal Buildings. Sledge hammers would not be allowed to beat on the buildings with. And a permit is also required.In my lifetime I have been involved in several peaceful protests.What you see in Portland and other Cities are not peaceful protests. What war was that?If you are referring to the war with England I think you have your facts mixed up. I was taught we fought that war because of taxation without representation. With England trying to impose their will on the colonies.God Bless,

Hi Paulk, You really would not want a militia protecting the buildings in Portland would you? Defacing a Federal Building is a felony. injuring a federal official is a felony and several have permanent eye damage due to attacks by the rioters. One officer was hit in the head with a sledge hammer that was being used to try and break down the door.So you paint it any way you want too. To me it is total anarchy and should be brought to an end with every rioter being locked up for a long time. No one has any right to destroy someone else's property in Portland alone over 23 million dollars worth of damage has been done to private property and local government owned taxpayers property.The stated aim is to destroy the Federal Courthouse. The only one's who have been arrested is those who have committed felonies.God Bless,

Hi Paulk, Why would I or any other law abiding citizen have a problem with Federal Employees doing their job? That is what we pay them a salary to do. Painting graffiti on Federal buildings and beating on them with a sledge hammer is defacing the property and is a felony.

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The penalties for violations of this section are tied to the extent of the property damage. As amended on September 13, 1994, if the damage exceeds $100, the defendant is subject to a fine of up to $250,000, ten years imprisonment, or both. See Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, Pub. L. 103-322, 330016, 108 Stat. 1796, 2146-47 (1994)

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Doing a little damage to a building can bring a heavy penalty. You do realize that someone having to paint over graffiti could run up a $100 bill in an hour's worth of work by a contractor. Why would police be involved when we are talking about Federal Building being attacked by mobs of people. Who were throwing bottles of urine and other liquids that were hitting Federal employees and causing the damage I mentioned. Why would you doubt it? You can see the damage on TV. Lets just look at the law that controls the actions of the Federal Employees guarding the Federal Courthouse in Portland.Homeland Security Act of 2002.40 U>SD> code 1315 Law enforcement authority of homeland security for protection of Public Property.
(c) make arrests without a warrant for any offense against the United States commited in the presence of the officer or agent or for any felony under the laws of the United States if the officer or agent has grounds to reasonaglely believe that the person to be arrested has committed or is committing a felony.The secretary of Homeland Security has stated on national TV that they will protect the courthouse.If a person wants a confrontation with Federal agents all they have to do is approach the fence with intent to breach the perimeter around the courthouse. In doing so a confrontation will occur.If a person does not want a confrontation all they have to do is not approach the fence with intent to breach the perimeter. That seems simple to me.Simple illustration, if you don't want a speeding ticket don't speed. If you don't want to get arrested don't break the law. If you want to have a peaceful protest get a permit and then obey the rules for the protest.God Bless,

Hi Dr, I can not find any place where Federal Agents were making arrests on the streets of Portland.If you have evidence of such taking place I would like to see the pictures.In fact the only times I find that the Federal officers left the building was when damage was being done to the premises and they had to leave the building to repel the rioters. The Federal Government has one duty and that is to protect the homeland from attack from without and within.In 2002 the congress of the United States passed the Homeland Security Act. which places the Homeland Security branch of government with the duty of protecting Federal Buildings. If a person does $100 worth of damage to a Federal building they can face up to $250,000 fine and 10 years in Federal prison. You and others here are the only ones I have heard talking about proactive arrests.In fact I have seen people on live TV break down doors and enter and loot stores. Even set them on fire and burn businesses to the ground and no one even get arrested or charged with any crime.I guess you think that is OK and they have a constitutional right to be able to do that.God Bless,

Hi Paulk, Please explain what you are talking about. It would not take much graffiti to cause a repair bill to exceed $100 dollars. If you were to cause $100 damage to a Federal building you could be fined up to $250,000 and sentenced to 10 years in Federal prison. I don't call that minor and I did not pass the law that carries those types of penalty. But the Portland Police Force is not employees of the Federal Government neither are they the ones who are protecting the Federal Courthouse in Portland. There is a lot of wiggle room in reasonably belief.God Bless,

Hi Paulk, They do in most of the Cities except where they are not supported by the city officials to uphold law and order.You do notice that there are just a few cities that are having the problems of rioting. Which are controlled by liberals and have been for the past 30+ years.But all Federal Buildings have employees that are responsible for the protection of the Federal Building, and see after day to day functions. Most of these buildings is courthouses where business is being carried on every day. They are not vacant buildings. It depends on what state you are in as to what is required of authorities as to detaining a person. In most states a person can be detained for 48hrs, 72hrs, and up to 33 days in some states, without being charged with a crime.So it might be good to find out where you are and what laws apply to what you are doing or contemplating on doing before participating in any event that could get you detained.God Bless,

Hi Dr The last I read the offices of U.S. Marshals and Deputy Marshal were created by the first Congress in the Judiciary Act of 1789, the same legislation that established the Federal judicial system. The Marshals were given extensive authority to support the federal courts within their judicial districts and to carry out all lawful orders issued by judges, Congress, or the president.Homeland Security was added to this group in the Homeland Security Act of 2002.The US Marshals that are assigned to the Federal Courthouse in Portland are charged with protecting the buildings they are assigned too. A US Marshal can detain, or arrest you anywhere in the United States. So if a US Marshal was assigned to the Portland Federal Courthouse and observed you throwing a missile and hitting another official he could follow you anywhere in the US and detain you, bringing you back to Portland to that same courthouse for questioning. Opps that is what they did wasn't it?God Bless,

Hi Paulk, What civil rights are you talking about? No one and I mean no one has any right to destroy or even try to destroy someone else's property. It makes no difference if it is a Federal property, or a local government's property because both belong to the taxpayers that paid for it.Can you cite me any part of our constitution or laws that give them such a right? If an officer approaches you and gives you an order and you do not comply he/she can arrest you. So if they have a suspicion you have done something they can arrest you and hold you for the duration that the particular state's laws allows. So how do you determine if the officer has a suspicion or not? If an officer sees someone throw a rock at a crowd he/she can arrest the person and charge them with assault with a deadly weapon. How do you determine if it is a legal or illegal detention? Wouldn't that be up to the judge at the booking hearing?It sure is not the place to do it at the scene of the arrest. Resisting arrest is a crime.God Bless,

Hi Paulk, Where does the Fourth Amendment say anything about being arrested?

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Amendment IV.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

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Where does that say anything about being arrested? They are limited by the laws that have been passed by our Congress and local governments.They are not limited by what the limitation you think should be. I would agree that in your opinion they did not have adequate grounds. But that does not limit their abilities to determine if a person is in violation of a law. The officer makes an arrest and the courts are there to make the decision of guilt or innocence through a jury. So they did an interview and an agreement was made that the person or persons would not be arrested. That does not mean they were not guilty of committing a crime.You and I have very different ideas of where your rights end and my rights begin.You can walk around swinging your fists in the air all you want too. But when your swinging your fists in the air becomes a threat to me, my health, and well being your rights have ended and my rights have begun and I am at liberty to take whatever action that is necessary to insure my health and well being.So you want to let the rioters destroy private property, burn cars and buildings without any consequences for their action. I on the other hand think everyone should be arrested, jailed, then make restitution to the injured parties. There are people whose lives and lively hood have been destroyed by these so called peaceful protesters.You say well there are only a few bad apples. When the laws are broken any person that is a peaceful protestor will leave and if they do not they become just as guilty as the person throwing the missile or firebomb and should be treated accordingly.A peaceful protest is one in which the organizers obtain a permit to stage their protest. During the protest no sidewalk traffic will be impeded neither will automobile traffic be impeded. You see when they imped either they are usurping those walking on the sidewalk or driving on the highway. That is like your fist and my well being. I am going to assume you did not study Civics in school rather that to think you can not understand what is written down in black and white.

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Is resisting arrest a crime?
A person commits the crime of resisting arrest if he intentionally prevents or attempts to prevent a peace officer from affecting a lawful arrest of himself or of another person. (b) Resisting arrest is a Class B misdemeanor.

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Hi Paulk, It is very hard to find any facts about Mark Perttibone.He was outside of the Courthouse. Pettibone recounted how he was walking back to a car about 2 a.m. on July 15. Walking back from where? Where had he been and what had he been doing to attract the attention of the officers. He was warned about officers in plain vehicles picking up people. He said the whole idea seemed incredible to him. A short time later a van approached and several men got out.Logically thinking he had been warned about officers in plain vehicles so when they got out and approached him he ran, my question is why? He knew they were officers and if he had done nothing wrong why run? Running implies guilt as you don't want to be caught. He ran west on Main Street, he said, and as he turned onto Broadway, he dropped to his knees, asking, Why? First off he was not fast enough to outrun them. He should have asked himself why when he was there next to the courthouse. I was explaining where your rights ended and my rights began.You could swing you fist all you wanted too in the air but once one of those fist touched my body anywhere your rights will have come to an abrupt end. In that case you would have already stayed too long and become a part of the riot. Yes you can say anything you want to say. But saying something does not make it so.