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Message 9 of 123 (865428)
10-25-2019 12:37 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Faith
10-24-2019 11:45 PM


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We know why they are doing it this way, of course.
I know, you don’t. It’s because they are dealing with material that may be highly classified. Hence the House Intelligence Committee are conducting some interviews in a secure facility.
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The people they are interviewing are not saying what they want to hear, far from it, and they don't want that to get out.
It’s a bipartisan committee. Are you asserting that all of them - including the Republicans - are out to get Trump ? On what evidence?
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Since they are good at inventing such claims out of a few words they may be able to pull it off.
Oh, look Faith is trying to discredit the evidence by lying as usual.
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But so far they had this guy Taylor whose testimony seemed promising but Ratcliff ripped that all to shreds.
I very much doubt that. The evidence against Trump is pretty strong and all you do is try to pretend that it doesn’t exist.

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Message 11 of 123 (865433)
10-25-2019 4:02 AM
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10-25-2019 2:35 AM


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If they had any real evidence they'd be leaking it. Not much leaking going on here.
The evidence we have is pretty convincing.

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Message 23 of 123 (865497)
10-26-2019 1:50 AM
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10-25-2019 6:38 PM


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It's a Star Chamber attempt to get something on Trump and that's why the other Republicans wanted in.
There is no way you can honestly believe that.

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Message 25 of 123 (865500)
10-26-2019 3:23 AM
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10-26-2019 3:06 AM


Re: Yes they are calling it a Star Chamber
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The thing is, the Republicans who "invaded" the meeting are highly authoritative and credible and they say something different.
In other words people you call highly authoritative and credible should be believed over the truth ?
The security concerns seem to be legitimate and so do the procedures. You yourself have claimed that Ratcliffe ‘demolished Taylor’s testimony against Trump - and he was one of the Republican representatives.
So, what is the justification for their claims?
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When you all say one thing according to the people in the closed meeting, which is being led by the despicable liar Schiff, and the rest of the House say something else, I'm going with the rest of the House.
Thanks for reminding me you want Schiff jailed on groundless charges. You have no real interest in justice, simply in protecting those on your side and jailing opponents.
And I note that when you say the rest of the House you present no evidence that the rest of the House says any such thing. Only the people illegally trying to disrupt a legitimate investigation, flouting security rules and perhaps their allies say such a thing.
But it is not simply a matter of picking sides. The evidence matters. And there is no evidence justifying their claims. You pick the side you like. I’ll follow the evidence. Because I care about the truth and you don’t.

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Message 32 of 123 (865508)
10-26-2019 3:54 AM
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10-26-2019 3:46 AM


Re: Yes they are calling it a Star Chamber
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You didn't prove it, did you? It's just your assertion.
You didn’t provide any evidence either. But it’s obviously implausible that Democrats would agree with dubious claims made by Trump’s partisans. Indeed there’s no reason to assume that all the Republicans in the House agree.
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But I do have to admit I'm predisposed against everything Leftist. Pelosi comes out and says something about how Trump is in a bad place, and all the rest of the evil Left says similar things day in and day out, every hour and minute of every day so you try to stick a few "facts" into this poisonous caldron and want me to forget the vile nature of the whole?
Trump IS in a bad place. For instance, his missteps in Syria have cost him even with Republicans.
The fact that you feel the need to malign anyone who dares speak against Trump shows us where the problem is. It’s you.

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Message 49 of 123 (865544)
10-27-2019 4:54 AM
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10-26-2019 8:20 PM


Re: It really is simple Faith. Simpler than you think, jar
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Oh the behavior of Schiff and Pelosi is enough to tell me this is a Kangaroo Court
Impeachment isn’t a trial. That happens afterwards, in the Senate.
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They found a way to have a completely private fishing expedition for any shred of misbehavior they can trash this President with
They already have the whistleblower report and corroborating evidence in the transcript of the call. They are just gathering more evidence, so as to make a stronger case.
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Since they already have lists and lists of allegedly impeachable misbehaviors you'd think that would do it for them, but they know none of it amounts to more than wishful thinking, none of it would stand up in court. so they keep looking and looking and looking and pretending what they've found is devastating for Trum when it's all just puff.
See - even you acknowledge that they need to get more evidence. But somehow you call the attempt a fishing expedition.
In fact the evidence is pretty good, but maybe not good enough in a court, especially in a court biased in favour of the defendant,
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AbE: Oh keep calling us Deplorables, keep calling Republicans Deplorables who got up the guts to face down this corrupt impeachment charade, it only tells the voters you have nothing and it motivates them to take you all down.
Because the voters so love lying in hypocrites who want to destroy the USA. You know Trump is guilty. Why else would you try to pretend that the evidence doesn’t exist. Why else would you try to prevent any investigation ? But you so love the idea of a corrupt tyranny that will lock up the opposition you don’t care. Deplorable is the least of it.

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Message 51 of 123 (865546)
10-27-2019 5:35 AM
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10-27-2019 5:16 AM


Re: It really is simple Faith. Simpler than you think, jar
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Oh come on. You all claim to have lists and lists and lists of Trump's crimes and impeachable behavior. If any of that amounted to anything impeachable they wouldn't need any more
Don’t be silly. Simply knowing of impeachable behaviour is not enough in a trial. I guess you think that knowing of illegal behaviour on the part of a Democrat should be enough to get him slung in jail bit fortunately for everyone the system doesn’t wrk like that. As I already explained.
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If the supposed whistleblower thing amounted to anything -- and the transcript did not corroborate it, it showed it all to be a lie and Schiff in particular to be a fool who should be impeached himself -- then they would not have needed their closed hearing.
We can see that it did amount to convincing evidence - we don’t need silly inferences. And we know that the hearing was closed because classified information might come up.
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There's nothing there, PK, you are all falling for propaganda, smoke and mirrors, or maybe you're not falling for it, you're in on it.
I have read the transcript myself. I know that there is something there.
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That's pretty funny since what I'm saying is that they have NO evidence whatever, that's why there's that ridiculous closed-door meeting going on.
The only funny thing is that you managed to say something true. We know that they do have evidence. We’ve seen it. And so have you.
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Yup, just the word for it
Only because you want to use partisan politics to shut down a legitimate investigation.
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Which is another silliness since it's very easy for the Left to shop for the right judge and get it.
The trial is in the Senate. As I told you at the start of the post. There is no chance to shop around for a judge. And the Senate has a Republican majority.
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I don't know when you guys are going to face it but all you've got is a long list of wishful supposed wrongdoings by Trump. Not a single one would hold up in court or they'd have been running with it and already had their vote for impeachment. They don't even need one to hold up in court, that's how bad it is, they've got NOTHING.
The evidence they have probably isn’t good enough. But that is the reason for the hearings. That is why they are not a fishing expedition - and that is why you are objecting to them. Because you know Trump is guilty.

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Message 62 of 123 (865594)
10-28-2019 1:31 AM
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10-27-2019 8:22 PM


Re: It really is simple Faith. Simpler than you think, jar
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Uh huh, and they are going to extend this "interview" phase as long as they can and actually they'll never have a vote to impeach because there will never be anything to impeach him on
They’ve already got evidence of his abuse of power and the testimony is providing further corroborating evidence. As you would know if you were following the story.

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Message 64 of 123 (865610)
10-28-2019 5:43 AM
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10-28-2019 5:34 AM


Re: It really is simple Faith. Simpler than you think, jar
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Nonsense, it's all made up...
There’s enough public evidence that you have no excuse.
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.... and "abuse of power" is way too nebulous a concept to justify impeachment
Using state power for personal political interest is a pretty clear example of abuse of power, and abuse of power is grounds for impeachment.
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As a matter of fact, though, it's the Democrats who have been abusing power in their relentless pursuit of bringing down Trump, which includes criminal activity.
This is just the assertions of the Right wing hate machine, dedicated to defending Trump from investigation.

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Message 66 of 123 (865612)
10-28-2019 6:31 AM
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10-28-2019 5:55 AM


Re: It really is simple Faith. Simpler than you think, jar
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Public evidence NONsense.
The transcript of the telephone conversation exists, has been made public, is not made up and has pretty clear evidence.
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Abuse of power is mostly a matter of interpretation and I know how the Left loves to "interpret" what Trump does
By which you mean that the Left aren’t fanatical Trump supporters, making up excuses - or just plain discounting - Trump’s misdeeds.
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I bet Obama's abuses of power far outstrip Trump's though I wouldn't expect you to have an unbiased interpretation.
My interpretation would doubtless be far less biased than yours.
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AND again it's the Democrats who have been abusing power against Trump for three years now.
Let us note that you offer no evidence of this - and let us also note that for much of that time the Republicans controlled both Houses of Congress.

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Message 118 of 123 (865873)
11-01-2019 12:39 PM


Trump is a crook
With a long history of obstructing justice.
Newsweek
Over the course of decades, Donald Trump's companies have systematically destroyed or hidden thousands of emails, digital records and paper documents demanded in official proceedings, often in defiance of court orders
Yes, the truth is coming out, Faith. And it isn’t what you want to see,
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Message 120 of 123 (865877)
11-01-2019 1:01 PM
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11-01-2019 12:39 PM


Re: Trump is a crook
And we see the same tactics now as in 1973, when the Trumps were accused of refusing to let apartments to African-Americans.
Shortly after the government filed its case in October, Trump attacked: He falsely declared to reporters that the feds had no evidence he and his father discriminated against minorities...
Trump submitted an affidavit contending that the government had engaged in some unspecified wrongdoing by releasing statements to the press on the day it brought the case without first having any "formal communications" with him; he contended that he'd learned of the complaint only while listening to his car radio that morning. But Trump's sworn statement was a lie. Court records show that the government had filed its complaint at 10 a.m. and phoned him almost immediately afterward.
Trump announced in a press conference that his family and their company were bringing a $100 million countersuit against the government for libel; anonymous tenants and community leaders, he said, had been calling and writing letters expressing shock at the government's "outrageous lies."
Yet when the government filed its standard discovery requests, the Trumps reacted as though seeking that information was outrageous. They argued in court that prosecutors had no case and wanted to riffle through corporate files on a fishing expedition.
They were then hit with a new delaying tactic. The Trumps submitted a filing based on statements by Trump that radically misrepresented what had occurred that day. He claimed a prosecutor, Donna Goldstein, had arrived at the company without notifying the Trumps' counsel, refused to telephone their lawyer and demanded access to Trump's office. The prosecutoraccompanied, the Trumps claimed, by five "stormtroopers"then banged on doors throughout the office, insisting she and her team be allowed to "swarm haphazardly through all the Trump files and to totally disrupt their daily business routine."
The same tactics we see today, and used for the same reason. Trump is guilty as hell.

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