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Author Topic:   Faith by Definition
crashfrog
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Message 2 of 149 (86596)
02-16-2004 4:29 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Phat
02-16-2004 4:23 AM


What does faith mean to you?
I've always held that trust is when you believe in something because of the evidence, but faith is when you believe in something in spite of the evidence.
I don't think faith and belief are antonyms, though. Belief is a part of faith. You could hardly have faith in God and not believe in God.

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crashfrog
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Message 4 of 149 (86599)
02-16-2004 4:43 AM
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02-16-2004 4:39 AM


If we had a transporter and we put a person from the year 1600 high in the sky in a jumbo jet, they would peer out the window horrified, because they could not see the evidence of why they were up there.
I can demonstrate the principle of flight by blowing between two strips of paper. I don't have faith in airplanes. I have trust in airplanes, because they fly all the time and arrive safely. The odds are in your favor when you fly in an airplane.
I don't really have faith in anything, actually. I have plenty of trust, though. Like the old Arabic expresssion: "Trust in God - but tie up your camel."

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crashfrog
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Message 6 of 149 (86601)
02-16-2004 4:50 AM
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02-16-2004 4:45 AM


I used to have faith in odds until God told me to shape up and stop gambling!
What sucks for you, then, is that we live in a quantum universe where there's nothing that you can express as a certainty instead of a probability. (Lucky for you we tend to ignore that at the scale we live at, where things are large enough that their positions and velocities are close enough to certain.)

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