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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Faith writes: That deficit is mostly built-in entitlements no President can touch. More simply unsupported assertion Faith. Do you have any evidence to support that nonsense? It can't be Social Security since it is impossible for it to contribute to the deficit.
quote: Source But it can the the tax cuts for the rich and increased spending under il Donald.
quote: Source That's the US Treasury analysis, which I believe is part of the Executive Branch of Government. Note the deficit is far higher than it was just six years ago. Remind me who was President six years ago?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8527 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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No, M'Lady. The deficit is borne of a lack of revenues and an over expenditure of discretionary funds.
Increase war spending to $900 billion and give $200 billion in fat cat tax cuts. That is the Trump recipe for making the biggest deficit, the greatest deficit, a Trump sized deficit. The biggest asshole of a deficit in *any* nation's history. So much for his promise to balance the budget. Just like "draining the swamp" he accomplished just the opposite. Make America Broke Some More. Make America Corrupt Some More. Asshole. Lock him up! Lock him up! Lock him up!Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
NO, the bulk of the deficit is due to all the entitlements promised to all of us over the last few decades that are protected by law. In other words there is no way to reduce the deficit because these entitlements cannot be reduced. The best that could be done is add nothing to them, but of course every President adds something to them, and even if it's a small amount by most standards it raises the total scarily. As it should. But we can't get rid of those entitlements. So it's all going to go on galloping toward bankruptcy, and it's not Trump's fault though you want so very much for it to be.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8527 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Don't know much about government finance. Just like your knowledge of geology, genetics and religion.
But, hey, you're a christian. You have a built-in excuse to be so wrong about so many things.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9140 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
No backup yet on this claim. I see you are posting other responses on this thread.
There are plenty of legitimate scientists who disagree with your 11,000. Was it a lie?Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Well, I got the economics from a well known right wing pundit, and it's not that I don't know what geology and genetics say, I make use of most of it accurately enough, I just put it to different uses. It does involve rejecting some aspects of the theory about both of course, but I believe I'm truer to the actual facts of both. But about religion, no I do understand the Christian religion and there is only one way to be saved and it's very clear from the Bible as well as spelled out by the Protestant Reformers: trust Christ, that's it, anything we do to add to it is an insult to God.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Hold your horses, cool your jets, when I'm up to the research I'll get your list of dissenting scientists for you.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9140 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
Good, because this is going to be fun.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Taq Member Posts: 10033 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Faith writes: NO, the bulk of the deficit is due to all the entitlements promised to all of us over the last few decades that are protected by law. In other words there is no way to reduce the deficit because these entitlements cannot be reduced. Deficits are due to spending more than you bring in. Obviously, one of the solutions is to bring in more. Cutting taxes for the rich is just as much to blame for the deficit as it is Social Security and Medicare that take care of the middle class. It is interesting that you only want to attack the programs made for the middle class instead of the massive tax cuts for the rich. That doesn't even begin to touch on subsidies for rich oil companies and overspending on defense.
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Taq writes: Cutting taxes for the rich is just as much to blame for the deficit as it is Social Security and Medicare that take care of the middle class. Social Security cannot have anything to do with the deficit. By law Social Security can only disburse money from the Trust Funds. see Message 736. The idea that Social Security adds to the deficit is just another Republican Porky. Edited by jar, : fix link
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5946 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
Well, I got the economics from a well known right wing pundit, ... Which proves what we've been telling you all along, that you are depending on sources that are misleading and deceiving you. Your "well known right wing pundit" is either lyiing to you outright or else is simply just as ignrant as you are. Funding for both Social Security and Medicare Part A comes directly from very specific payroll taxes which are matched by employers. Those specific tax revenues go into special funds which can only be used to pay benefits. All excess money goes into special trust funds for paying benefits in the future; in the meantime trustees are expected to invest that money wisely, which means buying government bonds. None of that has anything at all to do with the deficit (with the sole exception being that what the government owes the trust funds for those bonds shows up on the books as debt, but that also has nothing whatsoever to do with actual spending). Please start learning how things actually work. You would be amazed at how many right-wing-pundit liies you will stop falling for.
{ABE: Instead of relying on your right-wing-pundit lyiers, go to the source: The Social Security Administration's FAQs at faq.ssa.gov. For example, What are the Social Security Trust Funds? (go to that page to use its links):
quote: The "more information" link takes you to a page listing a number of answers to frequently asked questions about the trust funds at https://www.ssa.gov/OACT/ProgData/fundFAQ.html#a0=7.
} Edited by dwise1, : modified sub-title Edited by dwise1, : ABE
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
What you all "tell" me is what is bogus, my sources are good researchers.
I didn't name the entitlements so you are assuming a lot.
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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So name the entitlements.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5946 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
To add to jar's extremely reasonable request that you name the entitlements, please also add the following information about those entitlements:
What you all "tell" me is what is *****, my sources are good researchers. We are giving you the straight facts from our sources which includes the Social Security Administration, the people who actually work with SS for a living. You haven't even bothered to name your sources nor what their "sources" are supposed to be.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9140 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
Name your sources. I am quite sure I can show they are not honest or are not telling the whole truth.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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