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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
But of course they would.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
Sure would.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Percy Member Posts: 22391 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
I think you're mostly just repeating myths you've been fed by the news sources you prefer. If you provide some reference or evidential support for any of them I'll respond then. Short of that I'll just consider them fictions.
You did say a couple things that require correction:
Faith writes: Of course your explanation focuses on conservatives... No, it did not focus on conservatives. The word "conservative" or any synonym does not even appear in my message. The only thing I said that alluded to political affiliation was bipartisan: "It has drawn the attention of successive administrations of both parties for many, many decades."
...but most of the homeless can't even hold a job due either to drug addiction or mental illness or both, so it's got nothing to do with income levels. The employed are a significant proportion of the homeless population. This article is old but still accurate: Homelessness Myth #1: "Get a Job!":
quote: --Percy Edited by Percy, : Grammar.
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Percy Member Posts: 22391 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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RAZD writes: There is no legal need to name the whistleblower,... True, but Trump and the Republicans have a practical reason for wanting to out the whistleblower, as a warning to others contemplating such a course that they risk being outed, and then once their name is public of being demonized, harassed and threatened. If the whistleblower's name is made public then we know at some point the whistleblower will write about what happened to him, and it will go something like this:
quote: --Percy
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Taq Member Posts: 9972 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
Faith writes: Look, if any of that crap was impeachable the House Democrats wouldn't still be trying to find something impeachable. It must be really confusing for you when the police say they have an ongoing investigation. Apparently, you don't understand how investigations work.
If the Mueller Report had found anything impeachable they wouldn't have needed to set up this whole "whistleblower" hoax -- a spy in the White House, working for the Democrats, formerly involved with Biden, who didn't even personally hear the phone call he supposedly blew the whistle on. Witnesses have come forward and corroborated the whistleblower account with firsthand knowledge. It's not a hoax.
They've never found anything; all of it is a fishing expedition TRYING to find something, the most disgusting partisan hoax/fraud ever perpetrated on the American people. They have NOTHING, it's all innuendo, it's all smoke and mirrors, all wishful thinking. Charge him with something or shut up.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You've got a list of what, over fifty? allegations. Sorry, but there would have been a charge by now going into impeachment and there is NONE, nothing, nada, zip. Mueller's investigation was the same function as Starr's and Starr came up with eleven CLEAR FELONIES that Clinton could be impeached for, Mueller came up with NONE. They are still fishing and fishing and fishing. Nowe we've got this absurd "whistleblower" stuff BECAUSE Mueller didn't come up with anything. Coming up with nothing should have ended impeachment but it didn't because they have been determined to impeach Trump from the beginning and that's why they've been fishing, they've never had anything to charge him with. There shouldn't even have been a Mueller investigation because there was no legal reason to have it, there was no crime to investigate. This whole thing is a sham, a hoax, a fraud and it is continuing although they STILL have nothing. A long list of who knows what but long long past the point where they should have had something to charge him with.
itnesses have come forward and corroborated the whistleblower account with firsthand knowledge. It's not a hoax. It certainly is. Trump released the transcript of that phone call, no more "witnesses" are needed, you can read the damn thing for yourself, there is nothing in it that they are alleging is in it. The "whistleblower" was a spy in the White House, a Trump hater, put up to it by Schiff, the master Trump hater, didn't hear the phone call himself so how can he blow any whistles anyway? The man worked for Biden. And you guys go on rationalizing all this stuff away though it is so far out of bounds everybody involved ought to be tarred and feathered and hounded through the streets of Washington.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2284 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.8 |
There shouldn't even have been a Mueller investigation because there was no legal reason to have it, there was no crime to investigate.
the crime was russian interference in the 2016 election, multiple people connected to said interference have been indicted.
Sorry, but there would have been a charge by now going into impeachment and there is NONE
the articles of impeachment come after the investigation which is still underway.
didn't hear the phone call himself so how can he blow any whistles anyway
first hand knowledge is not a requirement for whistleblowing.
The man worked for Biden.
what evidence do you have for this accusation?
Trump released the transcript of that phone call, no more "witnesses" are needed, you can read the damn thing for yourself, there is nothing in it that they are alleging is in it.
contrary to trump's claims the "transcript" isn't a perfect reproduction of the call, it says right on it that it is based on multiple people's notes and recollections of the call. Witnesses are needed to fill in the gaps and provide information. edit: here is the link to the "transcript": https://www.whitehouse.gov/...019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf as you can see right one the first page it states it is not a verbatim record of the conversation. Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given. Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given. Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
the crime was russian interference in the 2016 election, multiple people connected to said interference have been indicted. NON OF THEM FOR INTERFERENCE IN THE ELECTION, AND THE ONLY INTERFERENCE IN THE ELECTION WAS BY CLINTON AGAINST TRUMP. THE MUELLER REPORT CONCLUDED THAT THERE WAS NO "RUSSIAN COLLUSION" OR HOWEVER THEY PUT THAT, BY TRUMP OR ANY OF HIS CAMPAIGN WORKERS IN THE ELECTION.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2284 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.8 |
NON OF THEM FOR INTERFERENCE IN THE ELECTION,
lie, multiple russians have been indicted for interference.
THE MUELLER REPORT CONCLUDED THAT THERE WAS NO "RUSSIAN COLLUSION" OR HOWEVER THEY PUT THAT, BY TRUMP OR ANY OF HIS CAMPAIGN WORKERS IN THE ELECTION.
they couldn't establish collusion, but that isn't the same as Russian interference. The trump campaign might have been cleared, there was still multiple Russians indicted for interference. Seriously Faith just read the report.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
YES RUSSIANS INTERFERED BUT NOT ON TRUMP'S SIDE AND AGAIN TRUMP AND HIS WORKERS WERE CLEARED OF ANY "COLLUSZION.".
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2284 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.8 |
YES RUSSIANS INTERFERED BUT NOT ON TRUMP'S SIDE AND AGAIN TRUMP AND HIS WORKERS WERE CLEARED OF ANY "COLLUSZION.".
right so by identifying and indicting said Russians the Mueller investigation carried out it's primary purpose. Thus invalidating your claim that there was no reason for the Mueller investigation, thank you for agreeing with my position that you're full of shit. edit: also the report concluded that the russian efforts were to help trump's campaign. Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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Percy Member Posts: 22391 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Faith writes: Mueller's investigation was the same function as Starr's and Starr came up with eleven CLEAR FELONIES that Clinton could be impeached for, Mueller came up with NONE. You made this same mistake already, back in October in your Message 3116. See my Message 3156 and read forward to refresh your recollection of the facts.
It certainly is. Trump released the transcript of that phone call, no more "witnesses" are needed, you can read the damn thing for yourself, there is nothing in it that they are alleging is in it. This reads like you're not keeping up with the news. Even Sondland now agrees there was a quid pro quo, having yesterday filed an addendum to his testimony explaining that he now recalls a discussion with a Ukrainian administration official about American military aid being contingent upon a public Ukrainian investigation into Burisma and the Bidens. Many Republicans now concede that there was a quid pro quo, but add that it doesn't rise to the level of an impeachable offense. Also, all the attention on a quid pro quo is distracting attention from the fact that simply soliciting foreign assistance against a domestic political opponent is illegal. --Percy Edited by Percy, : Correct a wrong word choice.
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Percy Member Posts: 22391 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Conservative columnists Marc Thiessen, Henry Olsen, Hugh Hewitt and George Will appear regularly in the Washington Post, on average totaling between 8 and 10 opinion pieces a week. Click on the links for lists of their recent writings.
--Percy
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Everything I've been hearing is that Sondland DID NOT believe there was a quid pro quo, that has been misunderstood. And yes I know he changed his mind. So what? Why does his opinion or anybody's opinion matter? It's all opinion, meaningless.
You are the one who has everything wrong according to my sources. Trump is right to withhold aid from a nation when there is any suspicion of corruption, and there was nothing wrong with asking for help with the investigation into the 2016 election. And there's so much confusxion about the Biden comment it's hard to be sure what it's all about but nevertheless my sources understand Trrump committed no impropriety there either. AND WHY WOULD HE RELEASE THE TRANSCRIPT, SO SURE IT SHOWED NO OFFENSES WHATEVER, IF IT DID?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Why do you make so much of opinion when what is needed is a clear legal determination.
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