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PaulK
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Message 3294 of 5796 (866045)
11-04-2019 2:09 PM
Reply to: Message 3293 by Percy
11-04-2019 2:02 PM


Re: Civil Debate
Trump didn’t write The Art of the Deal (shocker! I know :-)
The guy who did is not a fan
And Trump knew it
In 1985, he’d published a piece in New York called A Different Kind of Donald Trump Story, which portrayed him not as a brilliant mogul but as a ham-fisted thug who had unsuccessfully tried to evict rent-controlled and rent-stabilized tenants from a building that he had bought on Central Park South. Trump’s effortswhich included a plan to house homeless people in the building in order to harass the tenantsbecame what Schwartz described as a fugue of failure, a farce of fumbling and bumbling. An accompanying cover portrait depicted Trump as unshaven, unpleasant-looking, and shiny with sweat. Yet, to Schwartz’s amazement, Trump loved the article.
Edited by PaulK, : No reason given.

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Message 3315 of 5796 (866113)
11-06-2019 1:19 AM
Reply to: Message 3309 by Faith
11-05-2019 7:18 PM


Re: Impeachable actions by Trump
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Look, if any of that crap was impeachable the House Democrats wouldn't still be trying to find something impeachable.
They aren’t. They are gathering evidence so as to have the strongest possible case for removing Trump from office. They need that because the Senate is controlled by the Republicans.
quote:
If the Mueller Report had found anything impeachable they wouldn't have needed to set up this whole "whistleblower" hoax -- a spy in the White House, working for the Democrats, formerly involved with Biden, who didn't even personally hear the phone call he supposedly blew the whistle on
The Democrats decided not to act on the obstruction of justice found by Mueller. There are a number of possible reasons for that. One is the fact that Trump would be replaced by Pence, who - being more competent than Trump - might do greater damage to the country.
As for the crazy conspiracy theory you’ve - or someone has - invented about the whistleblower. Well, it’s an obvious attempt to distract from the evidence. I’m sure you rejoice in the evil of it, but it is very transparent.
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These people all need to be rebuked and upbraided and kicked out of office
And another example of the Right’s hate of democracy.
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They've never found anything; all of it is a fishing expedition TRYING to find something, ...
Except we know that they have found something.
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... the most disgusting partisan hoax/fraud ever perpetrated on the American people.
I think we can reserve that for Trump’s defenders.
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They have NOTHING, it's all innuendo, it's all smoke and mirrors, all wishful thinking.
That nicely describes your defence of Trump (except when it’s a stupid joke like appealing to Trump’s character of all things!). Really, what evidence do you have that the whistleblower isn’t genuine ? The claims did pan out, after all. That’s why the conspiracy nonsense was invented.

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Message 3367 of 5796 (866228)
11-07-2019 3:37 PM


Trump is a crook (again)
Note the blue tick - the account is authenticated by Twitter.
No doubt this is why Trump moaned about New York - he was being held to account for his misdeeds. Which is no surprise to anyone.
BBC report.
Edited by PaulK, : Added link to BBC report

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Message 3368 of 5796 (866229)
11-07-2019 3:47 PM


The Ukraine Investigation was NOT official
Rudy Giuliani admits it:
And we do have to wonder just what charges Giuliani thought he was defending against. Trump is immune from prosecution, while President, and he has not been charged with anything relating to the Russian interference in the US elections.

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Message 3373 of 5796 (866234)
11-08-2019 12:58 AM
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11-08-2019 12:40 AM


Re: Trump is a crook (again)
Misusing funds on that scale goes on every day ? And that makes it right ? A court decision is an unsupported claim ?
And Mueller wasn’t focussed on Trump’s own financial misconduct.

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PaulK
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Message 3375 of 5796 (866236)
11-08-2019 1:00 AM
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11-08-2019 12:47 AM


Re: The Ukraine Investigation was NOT official
If it isn’t actual legal charges, what’s an attorney doing running an investigation?
quote:
Ukraine DID collude against Trump in that election, and that contradicts all those allegations
Wrong. It doesn’t contradict any allegations against Trump.
And you still ignore the point that this is a private investigation- not an official one.

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PaulK
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Message 3379 of 5796 (866240)
11-08-2019 1:18 AM
Reply to: Message 3377 by Faith
11-08-2019 1:08 AM


Re: Trump is a crook (again)
quote:
Mueller was focused on ANYTHING at all he could find to skewer Trump with concerning election interference.
Nope. Mueller was concerned with Russian interference in the election, and Trump’s attempts to obstruct that investigation. Anything else that happened to turn up got passed on to other agencies.
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I know it is too much to ask that you read in context so I won't.
I know that it is too much to ask that you to not make hypocritical and false insinuations. But I still consider you amoral scum for doing it.

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Message 3380 of 5796 (866241)
11-08-2019 1:20 AM
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11-08-2019 1:09 AM


Re: The Ukraine Investigation was NOT official
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It contradicts them because from the beginning the swhole effort has been to smear Trump with misdeeds committed by his opponents
In other words it doesn’t contradict them but you want to smear Trump’s opponents with misdeeds committed by the Trump campaign.

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Message 3381 of 5796 (866242)
11-08-2019 1:22 AM
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11-08-2019 1:04 AM


Re: The Ukraine Investigation was NOT official
quote:
Trump is endlessly accused of meddling in the election.
Nope. Trump is - correctly - accused of benefitting from Russian interference in the election.
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Since he did not but Ukraine and Hillary did, that contradicts those allegations against Trump.
You do realise that ignorantly making things up is a silly idea ?

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Message 3383 of 5796 (866245)
11-08-2019 6:13 AM
Reply to: Message 3382 by Faith
11-08-2019 6:02 AM


Re: The Ukraine Investigation was NOT official
quote:
Russian meddling was on the side of Hillary, not Trump, and the Ukrainian meddling did actually benefit Hillary.
The Russian meddling was in favour of Trump.
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This is the actual truth that has been turned on its head in the neverending Democrat attempt to pull off a coup against Trump that started even before he got into office.
There is no evidence of any coup attempt. Even if Trump were impeached and removed from office Pence would take over. And there would have to be significant support from Republicans for that.
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Nothing do do, then, with anything he did to deserve any of this, it's all political, based on sheer ****** for the man.
Oh it’s all political all right. According to you Giuliani’s investigation was political. And Trump was using his position to try to get the Ukrainian government to help. So here you are trying to blame the Democrats to divert from the issue.

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Message 3398 of 5796 (866278)
11-09-2019 2:24 AM
Reply to: Message 3397 by Faith
11-08-2019 11:56 PM


Re: The Ukraine Investigation was NOT official
You also heard that the investigation was an official DoJ investigation from somewhere. And that wasn’t true was it?
It’s all lies, all to divert attention from Trump’s misdeeds.

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Message 3399 of 5796 (866279)
11-09-2019 4:53 AM
Reply to: Message 3396 by Percy
11-08-2019 8:53 PM


Re: The Ukraine Investigation was NOT official
So let’s sum up the facts.
Trump pressured the Ukrainian government to cooperate both with Giuliani’s private investigation, and to get them to investigate Hunter Biden.
Both investigations are for Trump’s personal advantage.
Giuliani has been deeply involved in diplomacy with the Ukraine despite holding no official position.
Giuliani’s investigation is not into the interference reported by Politico. It’s all about a crazy conspiracy theory and trying to exonerate the Russian government over the DNC hack.
And if Giuliani was investigating to defend his client, his client must have been one of the Russians indicted by Mueller.
Does this look proper to ANYONE ?
At least to anyone sane enough that they won’t write off a $2,000,000 judgement against Trump as something that happens every day.
Edited by PaulK, : No reason given.

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Message 3403 of 5796 (866284)
11-09-2019 8:42 AM
Reply to: Message 3400 by Faith
11-09-2019 5:20 AM


Re: The Ukraine Investigation was NOT official
My apologies. However, you repeatedly referred to an ongoing investigation as if that would exonerate Trump. And that is hardly true if it was a private investigation for Trump’s benefit, would it.
E.g Message 3099
But you were wrong to claim that the investigation was into the material reported by Politico. It is all about exonerating the Russian government in the DNC hack.

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PaulK
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Message 3404 of 5796 (866285)
11-09-2019 8:46 AM
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11-09-2019 6:48 AM


Re: The Ukraine Investigation was NOT official
quote:
There you go again with "But Politico..." Politico tells us that information from the Ukraine forced Manafort to resign as chairman of the Trump campaign...
Although he continued to advise the campaign in secret.

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PaulK
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Message 3408 of 5796 (866310)
11-09-2019 5:33 PM
Reply to: Message 3406 by Faith
11-09-2019 5:07 PM


Re: The Ukraine Investigation was NOT official
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Everything you impute to the GOP is really what Democrats do.
By which you mean that the Republican’s falsely accuse the Democrats of doing.
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MAY ALL THE TRUTH COME OUT, soon, Lord, please.
That isn’t what you want at all. We’ve seen your reactions to the truth coming out and they aren’t pretty.

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