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Faith
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Message 3391 of 3477 (866263)
11-08-2019 4:34 PM
Reply to: Message 3387 by Theodoric
11-08-2019 8:46 AM


Re: The Ukraine Investigation was NOT official
But **** rudy and donnie, you have no evidence of this. All you have are rightwing, alt-right conspiracy theories with absolutely not facts to back them.
If you had actual evidence I am sure the GOP would love to trot it out for all to see. You should contact Rep. Jim Jordan with the evidence. Here is his office phone number.

here's lots of evidence being verified by the various investigative bodies, they don't need mine. I'm sure it will be coming out fairly soon. Meanwhile there are lots of books out there that contain it, probably books you've never heard of. I have some of them but haven't tried to read them yet. I suppose you want titles. You'll have to wait until I get up from the computer or check my Kindle list.


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Message 3392 of 3477 (866267)
11-08-2019 5:19 PM
Reply to: Message 3391 by Faith
11-08-2019 4:34 PM


Re: The Ukraine Investigation was NOT official
So nothing. This is the third item I have asked you to provide evidence for your claims. So far nothing. Yes you are a *****.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 3393 of 3477 (866272)
11-08-2019 5:58 PM
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11-08-2019 4:34 PM


Re: The Ukraine Investigation was NOT official
Faith writes:

here's lots of evidence being verified by the various investigative bodies, they don't need mine.

What evidence?

Meanwhile there are lots of books out there that contain it, probably books you've never heard of.

Apparently, they're books you aren't aware of because you can't cite any evidence. How do you know they aren't just baseless allegations with no evidence to back them?


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Faith
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Message 3394 of 3477 (866274)
11-08-2019 7:13 PM
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11-08-2019 5:58 PM


Re: The Ukraine Investigation was NOT official
I reported on the Politico piece a ways back there, from January 2017. They said Ukraine intervened on Hillary's behalf and that it made a difference. I hear it very frequently how there were ******** acts committed in the servce of supporting Hillary and bringing down Trump, all orts of illegal stuff. Sorry you don't pay attention to it. Perhaps I'll grace you with some of that information eventually. But you know what? I figure it will all come out soon in an official legal context and nothing I say is going to matter to you anyway. If it doesn't come out nothing I say would make a difference in that case either, even less.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 3395 of 3477 (866275)
11-08-2019 7:51 PM
Reply to: Message 3394 by Faith
11-08-2019 7:13 PM


Re: The Ukraine Investigation was NOT official
So what does any of that have to do with anything?

Trump was elected, not Hillary. What, you want to impeach Hillary? If that is the case, then you truly have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.

What did Russia do to support Trump? What impeachable acts has Trump committed? That is the issue! Far more importantly, what is Russia doing right now to reelect Trump?

Your efforts to use accusations against Hillary in order to divert our attention away from the very real crimes that Trump has been committing is very telling. All the accusations against Hillary Clinton, Al Capone, John Wilkes Booth, Benedict Arnold, Guy Fawkes, Judas Iscariot, or anybody else have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the case being made against what Donald Trump has done.

Each and every case must be made and judged on its own. And every one of your attempts to divert our attention away from the Trump case with "but what about ... " just exposes the total lack of defense for Trump.


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Message 3396 of 3477 (866276)
11-08-2019 8:53 PM
Reply to: Message 3394 by Faith
11-08-2019 7:13 PM


Re: The Ukraine Investigation was NOT official
Faith writes:

I reported on the Politico piece a ways back there,...

You keep raising the Politico piece you mentioned in Message 3099 as if it described any wrongdoing by the Clinton campaign, but it doesn't. This gets explained to you, and then a week later there you are again with, "But Politico..."

They said Ukraine intervened on Hillary's behalf and that it made a difference.

Ukraine intervened how? By making public Manafort's corrupt behavior in the Ukraine on behalf of Russia? Yes, they did that. Manafort had to resign from the Trump campaign. They weren't making it up. Manafort actually did what they claimed, plus much more that got him a seven year federal prison sentence, and New York State has charged him with 16 felonies.

I hear it very frequently how there were criminal acts committed in the service of supporting Hillary and bringing down Trump, all sorts of illegal stuff.

Where do you "hear it very frequently?" What, specifically, is this "all sorts of illegal stuff?"

Perhaps I'll grace you with some of that information eventually.

You rarely grace anyone with actual information. All you do is repeat innuendo you've heard somewhere.

And what has any alleged wrongdoing by the 2016 Clinton campaign got to do with Trump's alleged offenses? There is no legal category that says, "You committed a crime, but someone else committed a crime, too, so we're just going to forget about your crime." Everyone who commits a crime should be held accountable.

--Percy

Edited by Percy, : Typo.


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Faith
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Message 3397 of 3477 (866277)
11-08-2019 11:56 PM
Reply to: Message 3396 by Percy
11-08-2019 8:53 PM


Re: The Ukraine Investigation was NOT official
You might as well stop telling me how this or that has been explained to me since if I've heard otherwise from elsewhere, which is usually the case, your opinion

DOES

NOT

MATTER.

Politico clearly said that Ukraine supported Clinton and it made a difference tp the election.


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PaulK
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Message 3398 of 3477 (866278)
11-09-2019 2:24 AM
Reply to: Message 3397 by Faith
11-08-2019 11:56 PM


Re: The Ukraine Investigation was NOT official
You also heard that the investigation was an official DoJ investigation from “somewhere”. And that wasn’t true was it?

It’s all lies, all to divert attention from Trump’s misdeeds.


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Message 3399 of 3477 (866279)
11-09-2019 4:53 AM
Reply to: Message 3396 by Percy
11-08-2019 8:53 PM


Re: The Ukraine Investigation was NOT official
So let’s sum up the facts.

Trump pressured the Ukrainian government to cooperate both with Giuliani’s private investigation, and to get them to investigate Hunter Biden.

Both investigations are for Trump’s personal advantage.

Giuliani has been deeply involved in diplomacy with the Ukraine despite holding no official position.

Giuliani’s investigation is not into the interference reported by Politico. It’s all about a crazy conspiracy theory and trying to exonerate the Russian government over the DNC hack.

And if Giuliani was investigating to defend his client, his client must have been one of the Russians indicted by Mueller.

Does this look proper to ANYONE ?

At least to anyone sane enough that they won’t write off a $2,000,000 judgement against Trump as “something that happens every day”.

Edited by PaulK, : No reason given.


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Faith
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Message 3400 of 3477 (866280)
11-09-2019 5:20 AM
Reply to: Message 3398 by PaulK
11-09-2019 2:24 AM


Re: The Ukraine Investigation was NOT official
You also heard that the investigation was an official DoJ investigation from “somewhere”. And that wasn’t true was it?

I don't know what you are referring to, please quote me.


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Percy
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Message 3401 of 3477 (866281)
11-09-2019 6:48 AM
Reply to: Message 3397 by Faith
11-08-2019 11:56 PM


Re: The Ukraine Investigation was NOT official
Faith writes:

You might as well stop telling me how this or that has been explained to me since if I've heard otherwise from elsewhere,...

You've heard what from where? As usually, no specifics. Are you ashamed of the "source" of your "information?"

...your opinion DOES NOT MATTER.

Yes, I know my opinion does not matter to you. Facts don't matter to you either.

Politico clearly said that Ukraine supported Clinton and it made a difference tp the election.

There you go again with "But Politico..." Politico tells us that information from the Ukraine forced Manafort to resign as chairman of the Trump campaign, Steven Bannon taking over and beginning a program of dirty tricks, as he testified yesterday at the Roger Stone trial (Bannon Tells of Campaign Willing to Try ‘Dirty Tricks’ to Win in 2016).

Beyond making public Manafort's crimes against the Ukraine for Russia's benefit, please tell us how Ukraine intervened in the election. Where is it that you "hear it very frequently" about "criminal acts committed in the service of supporting Hillary and bringing down Trump, all sorts of illegal stuff." And specifically, what were all these "sorts of illegal stuff." So far all you've got is innuendo.

And is any of this relevant to Trump's impeachment? If the Hillary or the Clinton campaign did anything criminally wrong then I think they should be prosecuted, but no one except you seems to know what those criminal acts were, and you're not talking. And if Trump committed high crimes and misdemeanors while in office, like extorting help for his 2020 campaign from a foreign nation as testified to by many members of his administration and the "louder than words" silence of those officials like Mulvaney yesterday refusing to testify even under subpoena, then he should be impeached. The Clinton case (if one ever comes to exist) and the Trump case are independent of one another. You're just don't want to face what Trump has done.

--Percy

Edited by Percy, : Typos.


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Message 3402 of 3477 (866282)
11-09-2019 7:10 AM
Reply to: Message 3392 by Theodoric
11-08-2019 5:19 PM


World Oligarchy?
So nothing. This is the third item I have asked you to provide evidence for your claims. So far nothing. Yes you are a troll.

Or just a gullible puppet of the alt-right propaganda machine that cares nothing for truth, layers falsehoods on falsehoods, and whose main goal is fascism over democracy. Humpty Dumbty is their willing tool, McConnell as well. They are owned.

Dumbty wants to go to the Russian Parade ... if he does let's hope he stays ...

Enjoy


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Message 3403 of 3477 (866284)
11-09-2019 8:42 AM
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11-09-2019 5:20 AM


Re: The Ukraine Investigation was NOT official
My apologies. However, you repeatedly referred to an “ongoing” investigation as if that would exonerate Trump. And that is hardly true if it was a private investigation for Trump’s benefit, would it.

E.g Message 3099

But you were wrong to claim that the investigation was into the material reported by Politico. It is all about exonerating the Russian government in the DNC hack.


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Message 3404 of 3477 (866285)
11-09-2019 8:46 AM
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11-09-2019 6:48 AM


Re: The Ukraine Investigation was NOT official
quote:
There you go again with "But Politico..." Politico tells us that information from the Ukraine forced Manafort to resign as chairman of the Trump campaign...

Although he continued to advise the campaign in secret.


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Message 3405 of 3477 (866306)
11-09-2019 5:03 PM
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11-09-2019 8:46 AM


Re: The Ukraine Investigation was NOT official
Percy writes:

There you go again with "But Politico..." Politico tells us that information from the Ukraine forced Manafort to resign as chairman of the Trump campaign...


Although he continued to advise the campaign in secret.

Also remember that Manafort was working as an unregistered foreign agent, so could we call him a secret foreign agent? Or am I confusing him with Mike Flynn?

No, Mike Flynn was also secretly acting as a foreign agent (ie, unregistered). Wow, two foreign agents working secretly within the Trump campaign and administration. What a coincidence! (refer to Nance's Law)

And now we have learned that Rudy Giuliani, who has Trump's ear and works to implement Trump's "shadow diplomacy", AKA "drug deal" (as per Michael Bolton's comment which also identifies Giuliani as a "hand grenade"), is himself working as an unregistered (ie, "secret") foreign agent, lobbying Trump directly on behalf of Turkey and of Dmytro Firtash. As everyone outside of the Fake News Network and right wingnut radio should know, Firtash is a most highly corrupt Ukrainian businessman with ties to the Russian mob and who had to flee the Ukraine and currently resides in Vienna fighting extradition with an army of lawyers, including a husband-and-wife lawyer team on the Fake News Network. Working for Firtash is Lev Parnas (born Ukrainian, naturalized US citizen) who also works as Giuliani's "assistant" (though he paid Giuliani $500,000 for that position). Lev has been a fixture in the Trump-sphere for a few years frequently showing up in photos with Trump (though Trump denies ever having met him, of course ( ), but in doing so he has angered Lev who's been known to put a gun to the head of those who cross him). Lev Parnas also funneled Russian mob money into a Trump PAC, America First (cue photo of Lev, Rudy, Don Jr, and the head of the PAC having lunch together) -- after that was revealed, the PAC tried to return the money or give it to charity, anything to reject it. Lev and cohort Igor Fruman were also closely involved in the unfolding Trump-Ukraine Scandal, including the smear campaign to remove career diplomat and former ambassador Marie Yovanovitch since she and other career diplomats would have put a stop to the "drug deal" (again, Bolton's name for it) they were putting together. Lev and Igor were arrested trying to flee the country to Vienna (remember Firtash?) shortly after having consulted with Giuliani.

Rudy Giuliani, Lev Parnas, and Igor Fruman have all been acting as foreign agents without having registered as such, which brings up the secret foreign agent count in Trump-sphere up to at least five. Wow, what a coincidence! (again, refer to Nance's Law)


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