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Message 3240 of 5796 (865677)
10-29-2019 3:05 AM
Reply to: Message 3239 by Adminnemooseus
10-29-2019 2:40 AM


Re: Slipping into the asshole mode again?
She needs to reply to the actual messages that she's claiming to be replying to.
When she throws in unrelated stuff like that, who the hell is ever supposed to figure out what the fuck she's talking about.
She needs to reply to the actual messages that she's claiming to be replying to.

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Message 3268 of 5796 (865905)
11-02-2019 9:31 AM
Reply to: Message 3265 by Faith
10-31-2019 2:25 PM


Re: H8 radio is self selectively right wing to far [alt]right wing
I've been listening to right wing radio for over a year now and heard absolutely nothing of this sort. This is some kind of smear propaganda.
Old vaudeville routine: Man is next to the street lamp searching the ground for something. He responds to a passer-by's question that he lost his watch and is trying to find it. Where did he lose it? Half way down the block. Why is he searching here instead of there? The light is better here.
Those events happened during the Obama administration (20 Jan 2009 — 20 Jan 2017), especially in his first term. That was not during this past year, so who could ever expect it to show up on right wing radio as recent news? The article that RAZD cited and quoted from was published in July 2012 and updated in September 2012, seven years ago!
Unlike you, I was paying attention back then. I do remember those images of the Obamas being depicted as chimps and of that effigy lynching, though I'm a bit hazy about the targets drawn on Democrats.
... but struggling through your quoted paragraph I see nobody named as the source of the offenses.
The anonymity of the offenders emboldening them was the article's point (my emphasis added):
quote:
But that’s not the case with the growing barrage of racist assaults on Obama, and other minorities on social media sites. Baylor University researchers, for instance, recently tracked more than 20 Facebook page groups and users and found them jam-packed with racist venom aimed at Obama, blacks and other minorities. The growing number of groups that churn hate on social media sites are secure in the knowledge that they won’t be caught or called out on it.

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Message 3278 of 5796 (865954)
11-03-2019 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 3275 by Phat
11-03-2019 9:43 AM


Re: Civil Debate
quote:
Hey Bart, I listened to a speech by Attorney General William Barr at Notre Dame University, in which he denounced ‘militant secularists’ and said they were trying to destroy the ‘traditional moral order’. Does this worry you as much as it does me?
Bart Campolo sits down with John Wright to answer this question, and — spoiler — it’s a resounding ‘Yes.’ Not only did Barr set out to make the ludicrous claims about secularists that he did, but Secretary of State Mike Pompeo promoted his own speech on the United States State Department website with the headline, Being a Christian Leader. Bart sees this as a direct response to the fire under which Trump finds himself, a rallying of the base, and shares some thoughts about how secular people can articulate their own positive values in a powerful refutation of this demonization.
Until recently, our fears of encroaching theocracy came from fundamentalists and Christian Reconstructionists (a movement declared dead, but not before its seeds had already spread), but now it appears that the danger comes from conservative Catholics.
William Barr is a conservative Catholic as is Mike Pompeo. We get the same theocratic rhetoric from both of them. Brett Kavanaugh is also Catholic with a Catholic education (Jesuit prep school) and shows signs of supporting conservative Catholic ideas.
Just enjoying the irony that Faith is so strongly supportive of conservative Catholic agendas.

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Message 3295 of 5796 (866059)
11-04-2019 6:11 PM
Reply to: Message 3293 by Percy
11-04-2019 2:02 PM


Re: Civil Debate
The Art of the Deal is just Trump lying about one failed business deal after another. As we saw after he took office, he has no negotiating skills whatsoever. His negotiating style is clumsy, bullying, heavy-handed, extortive, manipulative.
As noted by PaulK in his response to this your message, that book was ghostwritten for Trump, though it was based on Trump's liies about his business failures, not unlike Trump (albeit through his father no doubt) having his doctor liie about bone spurs or having his accountant sign tax documents that had been filled by somebody else. And as you point out, marc9000's "point" has nothing to do with your point about Trump being crude and uncivil.
On the matter of Trump's negotiation skills, he is truly a Legend in His Own Mind. Most all his business negotiations were with subcontractors who wanted to do business with him, so Trump automatically had the upper hand. As we have seen during his administration, when up against an equal opponent Trump just folds completely and gives everything away from free. He gave Kim Jung Un everything he wanted and got nothing in return. He just gave Northern Syria away to Turkish President Erdogan after one phone call and then sent his top negotiating team (Pence and Pompeo) to Turkey out of which Turkey proudly proclaimed that they got everything they wanted. Trump threatened devastating economic sanctions against Turkey for their ethnic cleansing, and then immediately lifted all those sanctions. They got everything and we (Trump) go nothing. That is the clear sign of the level and extent of Trump's skill in negotiation, in his actual "Art of the Deal".
But for me the pice de resistance of Trump's expertise in deal-making was when Shumer and Pelosi had agreed to funding for his Wall and, deal already made, Trump seized defeat from the Jaws of Victory and rejected that funding and started that over-a-month-long government shutdown which he personally owned (from the start at least, but then tried to blame everybody else for). Like they say, "You can't make this stuff up, folks!"
Trump was easily the most known Republican candidate in 2016. He wrote The Art of the Deal. He had his name on real estate in prime locations. He was the star of The Apprentice that ran for years. He had a long public history derived from giving interviews to newspapers and on radio, taking out full page ads in newspapers, and tweeting.
To borrow Mel Brooks' recurring line in To Be or Not To Be (1983) about the Bronskis being "world famous, in Poland", Trump was world famous in New York City -- BTW, Mel Brooks' remake of the 1942 Ernst Lubitsch film with Jack Benny was one of his most brilliant and underappreciated works.
Everybody who grew up in New York City grew up knowing about Trump and what a crook he was, which is evidenced by how few votes he got from there. The rest of the country only knew Trump from his game show, The Apprentice (which needed to build a fake boardroom since Trump's actual offices were rather threadbare -- on Netflix see the Trump episode of Dirty Money which also starts to get into his ties with Russian oligarchs).
The pro-Trump rubes in the rest of the country only ever saw "The Apprentice" and never had the benefit of the knowledge bitterly acquired by those in the New York City area, the ones who knew Trump the best.
He's even reluctant to pay his bills, even as president. He still hasn't paid bills for campaign and presidential visits to many cities, such as Burlington (VT), Lebanon (OH), Mesa (AZ), Erie (PA), Green Bay (WI), Spokane (WA), and on and on. Trump just skips town and ignores the bills, just as he always has.
His long record of not paying his bills is all too well known. He would routinely refuse to pay his subcontractors in which case they would sue in which case Trump would employ his army of lawyers (just like he's doing now to block and delay the release of his financials). How many hundreds of thousands of dollars are you willing to spend in legal fees spread out over decades of litigation for a few tens of thousands of dollars that you need right now to keep your business alive? Of course, most if not all of his subcontractors would settle for pennies on the dollar and Trump could get away with it yet again.
What you point out is yet another instance of Trump not paying his bills. Unfortunately, it's not quite that simple and direct. It's a bit more complicated in the details, but shouldn't be in principle (which is what is appealing to you and which is what really should count).
Legally, the security of a president's political events are the responsibility of the Secret Service. In those rallies, the extra security measures required from local law enforcement are the responsibility of the Secret Service and must be paid by the Secret Service, whose funding comes from Congress (albeit managed by whichever civil servents). But Congress sets each agency's annual budget ... er ... annually, such that any possible future Therefore technically all those unpaid bills are the responsibility of the Secret Service, but at the same time all these unexpected extra expense could not have been planned for and could not have been accounted for and covered in this year's projected expenses.
I am also assuming that financial responsibilities are different for an incumbent versus another candidate. In which case a non-incumbent candidate's campaign would automatically need to pony up for the expense of all additional security measures, something that an incumbent would not need to do.
So, technically and legalistically the Trump Campaign should be not be liable for additional expenses incurred by local law enforcement for its purely political events. Yet those expenses must eventually be paid for lest local services suffer soley because of a federal-level event completely outside of their control.
The next question would be to look to history. Trump is not the only president to ever seek reelection. Nor would he have ever been the only incumbent president seeking reelection to have ever held any political rally or some such event that would have required local support for security.
The question is how those past campaigns had handled the matter. I suspect that the others had acted far more honorably and responsibly than Trump, but conclusions require more research.

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Message 3350 of 5796 (866192)
11-07-2019 2:29 AM
Reply to: Message 3349 by Theodoric
11-06-2019 11:36 PM


Re: Impeachable actions by Trump
Stop the caps. You look like an ID10t.
I concur. She needs no extra help.

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Message 3353 of 5796 (866197)
11-07-2019 3:39 AM
Reply to: Message 3351 by Faith
11-07-2019 3:02 AM


Re: Balance on the Washington Post Editorial Page
It wouldn't in any case save the WP from being a Fake News source.
Except that they deal in facts whereas you only deal in ID10Cy.

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Message 3395 of 5796 (866275)
11-08-2019 7:51 PM
Reply to: Message 3394 by Faith
11-08-2019 7:13 PM


Re: The Ukraine Investigation was NOT official
So what does any of that have to do with anything?
Trump was elected, not Hillary. What, you want to impeach Hillary? If that is the case, then you truly have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.
What did Russia do to support Trump? What impeachable acts has Trump committed? That is the issue! Far more importantly, what is Russia doing right now to reelect Trump?
Your efforts to use accusations against Hillary in order to divert our attention away from the very real crimes that Trump has been committing is very telling. All the accusations against Hillary Clinton, Al Capone, John Wilkes Booth, Benedict Arnold, Guy Fawkes, Judas Iscariot, or anybody else have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the case being made against what Donald Trump has done.
Each and every case must be made and judged on its own. And every one of your attempts to divert our attention away from the Trump case with "but what about ... " just exposes the total lack of defense for Trump.

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Message 3405 of 5796 (866306)
11-09-2019 5:03 PM
Reply to: Message 3404 by PaulK
11-09-2019 8:46 AM


Re: The Ukraine Investigation was NOT official
Percy writes:
There you go again with "But Politico..." Politico tells us that information from the Ukraine forced Manafort to resign as chairman of the Trump campaign...
Although he continued to advise the campaign in secret.
Also remember that Manafort was working as an unregistered foreign agent, so could we call him a secret foreign agent? Or am I confusing him with Mike Flynn?
No, Mike Flynn was also secretly acting as a foreign agent (ie, unregistered). Wow, two foreign agents working secretly within the Trump campaign and administration. What a coincidence! (refer to Nance's Law)
And now we have learned that Rudy Giuliani, who has Trump's ear and works to implement Trump's "shadow diplomacy", AKA "drug deal" (as per Michael Bolton's comment which also identifies Giuliani as a "hand grenade"), is himself working as an unregistered (ie, "secret") foreign agent, lobbying Trump directly on behalf of Turkey and of Dmytro Firtash. As everyone outside of the Fake News Network and right wingnut radio should know, Firtash is a most highly corrupt Ukrainian businessman with ties to the Russian mob and who had to flee the Ukraine and currently resides in Vienna fighting extradition with an army of lawyers, including a husband-and-wife lawyer team on the Fake News Network. Working for Firtash is Lev Parnas (born Ukrainian, naturalized US citizen) who also works as Giuliani's "assistant" (though he paid Giuliani $500,000 for that position). Lev has been a fixture in the Trump-sphere for a few years frequently showing up in photos with Trump (though Trump denies ever having met him, of course ( ), but in doing so he has angered Lev who's been known to put a gun to the head of those who cross him). Lev Parnas also funneled Russian mob money into a Trump PAC, America First (cue photo of Lev, Rudy, Don Jr, and the head of the PAC having lunch together) -- after that was revealed, the PAC tried to return the money or give it to charity, anything to reject it. Lev and cohort Igor Fruman were also closely involved in the unfolding Trump-Ukraine Scandal, including the smear campaign to remove career diplomat and former ambassador Marie Yovanovitch since she and other career diplomats would have put a stop to the "drug deal" (again, Bolton's name for it) they were putting together. Lev and Igor were arrested trying to flee the country to Vienna (remember Firtash?) shortly after having consulted with Giuliani.
Rudy Giuliani, Lev Parnas, and Igor Fruman have all been acting as foreign agents without having registered as such, which brings up the secret foreign agent count in Trump-sphere up to at least five. Wow, what a coincidence! (again, refer to Nance's Law)

Honor, Courage, Commitment
(US Navy)
A Christian once asked what I as an atheist believed in. My spontaneous and totally honest answer was sounded corny, but it was true: "Truth, Justice, and the American Way." That's still my answer today.
GOP Values: Hypocrisy, Corruption, Greed, Lying, Cheating, Voter Suppression, Election Fraud, Conspiring with the Enemy
" ... how hard can that be, to say that Nazis are bad?!"
(Barack Obama)
"How are we still fighting Nazis today?"
(Daisy Johnson, S5E15)
"Nance's Law: Coincidence takes a lot of planning."
(Malcolm Nance)
It is a well-known fact that reality has a definite liberal bias.
(Steven Colbert on NPR)

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Message 3407 of 5796 (866308)
11-09-2019 5:16 PM
Reply to: Message 3406 by Faith
11-09-2019 5:07 PM


Re: The Ukraine Investigation was NOT official
Oh, the truth is indeed coming out, day after day after day. Haven't you been reading the transcripts?
The public hearings start next week, so the public will hear the truth for themselves.

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Message 3413 of 5796 (866318)
11-09-2019 7:26 PM
Reply to: Message 3409 by Faith
11-09-2019 5:41 PM


Re: The Ukraine Investigation was NOT official
Incredible. The transcripts support Trump.
What the fuck are you talking about?
The summary of Trump's phone call (there is no actual transcript, unlike the actual transcripts from the congressional testimonies) has Trump admitting that he requested something of value (ie, dirt on Biden) from a foreign power; that alone details violation of federal law and amounts to a personal confession of guilt). That neither supports nor exonerates Trump.
The transcripts of the testimonies of Marie Yovanovitch, Fiona Hill, George Kent, Michael McKinley, William Taylor, Laura Cooper, Philip Reeker, LtCol Alexander S. Vindman, Tim Morrison, and Gordon D. Sondland all expose Trump's additional malfeasance of bribery/extortion in his scheme of trading military aid for actions intended to benefit himself personally and politically. They attest to an extended campaign over a period of months of pressuring the Ukrainian government and all attest to the additional issue of Trump imposing a quid pro quo condition of releasing congressionally mandated military aid to the Ukraine in exchange for actions intended to aid Trump politically.
Just how the fuck is that supposed to be supporting Trump?

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Message 3416 of 5796 (866325)
11-09-2019 9:04 PM
Reply to: Message 3415 by Faith
11-09-2019 8:40 PM


Re: Faith reads her own stuff, not yours
OK fine.
You love Russia and you hate America.
You love dictators and you hate the Constitution of the United States of America.
You love liies and you hate truth.
You love corruption and you hate honesty.
You love crime and criminals and you hate justice.
You love evil and you hate good.
Well, the truth is coming out and your evil side is going to lose.
And if your god is in favor of all the evil that you love, then fuck your evil god.
Edited by dwise1, : you love crime and criminals
your evil god

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Message 3417 of 5796 (866326)
11-09-2019 9:12 PM
Reply to: Message 3406 by Faith
11-09-2019 5:07 PM


Re: The Ukraine Investigation was NOT official
You never did comment on the Lev and Igor Show. What is the Fake News Network telling you about them? Or about the Ukraine "drug deal" (as Michael Bolton calls it)?

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Message 3419 of 5796 (866329)
11-09-2019 10:11 PM
Reply to: Message 3418 by Faith
11-09-2019 9:41 PM


Re: Faith reads her own stuff, not yours
And you still have not said a single thing about what your Fake News Network has said about the Lev and Igor Show.
If you had any evidence on your side, you would be able to present it. Since you have no evidence on your side, all you can do it duck and dodge and obfuscate.
It's like Trump's frustration with the GOP. About a week ago he chastised them for only complaining about the process and not trying to defend him on the substance of the evidence. Well, there is no way to defend him on the substance of the evidence. In fact, a basic rule among prosecutors is that when the defense can only rail against the process, then that means that the defense has no actual defense. Trump's position is quite literally indefensible.
It is also very difficult for the Republicans to try to defend Trump using Trump's talking points, because those change very rapidly. There is no coherent defense coming out of the White House because that changes according to Trump's whims.
Along those lines, I do kind of like a summary of Lindsey Graham's latest line of Trump defense. There is no coherent defense coming out of the White House because it is so terminally disorganized and chaotic as to render that impossible. How could something as totally disorganized ever come up with an international scheme? So basically, Lindsey Graham is saying that Trump is incredibly incompetent, which is true. If Trump is so mentally incompetent as to not know that what he is doing is wrong, then shouldn't the 25th Amendment be invoked?
 
And, yes, you do indeed align yourself diametrically opposed to all that is good. That is what you do unapologetically. Get used to it as long as you remain on the Dark Side (which is Satan's side).

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Message 3442 of 5796 (866716)
11-14-2019 10:29 PM
Reply to: Message 3440 by marc9000
11-14-2019 7:38 PM


Re: Fox News Gets the Facts Backward
I seldom have much time for Fox New, but when I catch some of their discussion shows, impeachment is often the main topic, and they usually have at least one Democrat congressman, or Democrat "strategist". There's no doubt that they cover the impeachment circus as well as anyone else.
A lot of news services carried Wednesday's open testimonies live, all of it (albeit cutting back to the studio during recesses). A guest today on the Dean Obeidallah Show (Sirius XM) talked about switching over to FOX News for their coverage. He reports that they were showing a video of a baby beluga whale while asking whether that baby beluga was a Russian spy. His report was that while FOX News did carry the opening statements, they selectively cut away during the actual testimony.
Edited by dwise1, : replaced "covered" with "carried", a much more accurate choice of words

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Message 3535 of 5796 (867183)
11-21-2019 3:18 PM
Reply to: Message 3528 by Faith
11-20-2019 8:59 PM


Re: Democrat Lies just keep going and going and going
, they got it all second and third hand
And just whom would you consider to be primary-source witnesses? The closest would be the ones directly involved, like Pompeo, Mulvaney, etc, right?
So why don't they show up and testify? They have been requested as witnesses and have received subpoenas, so why don't they show up and testify?
The reason is because the White House has ordered them to ignore the subpoenas and to not testify.
So if they are supposed to be the ones with information to exonerate Trump, why is Trump ordering them to not testify?
The reason is because their testimony would not exonerate Trump, but rather would condemn him. Otherwise, why else would Trump be so desperate to cover everything up?

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