Dominant Force in West Today According to Dennis Prager is Fear of Left

Boo hoo. That's exactly what Christianity is. And it's far from the most plausible one. You're wrong.Even your own Book doesn't support many of your dogmas. I personally have never read a word by any "mythicist". I see it as a myth because it walks like a myth and quacks like a myth.

If it was the basis of somebody's religion, I would. Why? Where's the threat in doing what Jesus told you to do? Is it the Straight and Narrow that you're afraid of?

We're all outsiders. The people who argue against you and Faith argue much more vociferously against each other.You don't lose debates because you're victims. You lose debates because your positions are weak.

I think you missed my point.I recently had a long, drawn-out disagreement with Stile about "knowing' God doesn't exist. A little farther back I had a long, drawn-out disagreement with Percy about how scientists would react to a "miracle". And even farther back, I had a long, drawn-out disagreement with a whole swarm of EvC members about transgender issues. Those are just a few examples that spring to mind.The fact is that I am challenged much more by people who are supposedly "on my side" than I am by you. With you, I know that you will eventually start spewing insults and jumping up and down on your Caps Lock key and then you will run away.Even if you have something substantial to say (and I have cheered you a few times), you ruin your own argument by being an asshole.Edited by ringo, : Added quote.

Check out my reply to Faith in Message 59. Seventeen thousand one-liners add up. If you're confused about the depth of my position on any issue, feel free to read my posts. We'll wait. Don't confuse "rightness" of a position with strength of a position. Consensus is not just popularity.

Maybe because you define "hate" as pointing out his lies.

I wouldn't call it a "command". It's just what you must do to be saved. That's pretty much what the situation was when Jesus was around. The "middle class" is a relatively modern invention.

That's not a solution. The problem is not that we don't want to hear what you say. The problem is that what you say is wrong and needs to be corrected.

You think about it. Jesus said it was what you must do to be saved. If you don't want to be saved, you can be as grabby as you like.The early Church did it. They didn't become poor, as in your warped version. They owned what they needed in common. Instead of twenty people owning twenty lawnmowers, all of which were idle 90 per cent of the time, they owned one lawnmower together. That's what I have. People not going hungry? Yes, I can see that. I've never called it Utopian. I have pointed out that it's what Jesus wanted. As I said, it wasn't a command; it was what he had to do to be saved. Why would the requirement for salvation be different for different people?

Christians often scoff at the idea of relative morality. Do you really want to go with a doctrine of relative salvation? I never said they were. The members of the early church believed they were called to hold what they needed in common and give the rest to the poor - i.e. they were called to embrace socialism.

What messenger? The message that Jesus brought was well known before he was ever thought of. It's a product of the social behaviors that humans have evolved. On the contrary, it's your brand of Christianity that's bankrupt in regards to advancing humanity. You claim that "the Fall" makes it impossible for humanity to advance.

But according to you, His daddy is Him. If I refuse heroin, what am I doing "to" myself? If the consequences are inevitable, God is not omnipotent.

Wrong. Based on the evidence, I conclude that Jesus didn't exist. Don't be silly. Evidence would change my mind. It's a well-evidenced claim: Women have the right to vote. (Men have the right to vote, for that matter.) Black people have the right to vote. Black people have the right not to be owned by white people. Evidence can not be refuted. An argument can be refuted, but only by evidence.

Well, I don't see any evidence and you don't present any, so.... Learn what evidence is. Are you ever going to present any of the apologists' arguments here? If you can't articulate the arguments, you're opinion that they're right doesn't carry much weight. We know that. You see yourself as somebody who already knows the absolute truth. The deception is on the part of the apologists. If it's a "war", you're on the wrong side.

You're like the little old lady in the flood. God might send you a cop to warn you or a boat to rescue you or a helicopter to rescue you - but you reject all of them because you "trust God".