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Hyroglyphx
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Message 61 of 308 (866510)
11-12-2019 11:32 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by ringo
11-12-2019 10:48 AM


Re: Promoting Cautiously. Topic Will Be Moderated.
We're all outsiders.
No, you are definitely an insider -- the usual suspects.
The people who argue against you and Faith argue much more vociferously against each other. You don't lose debates because you're victims. You lose debates because your positions are weak.
That's rich coming from someone who never fleshes out a single idea. You constantly offer what is basically tantamount one-liners. You simply have a lot of fans cheering you on. Don't confuse popularity with the rightness of a position.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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PaulK
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Message 62 of 308 (866511)
11-12-2019 11:33 AM


Irony
Donald Trump Jr. launched his book Triggered: How The Left Thrives on Hate and Wants to Silence Us yesterday
He walked out of the launch, without giving his talk because of Right-wing hecklers
Donald Trump Jr walks out of Triggered book launch after heckling — from supporters
I’m willing to listen Trump began.
Q and A! Q and A! the audience yelled back.
We’ll go into the lion’s den and talk Trump tried again.
Then open the Q and A! came the immediate response.
Guilfoyle, forced to shout to make herself heard, told students in the crowd: You’re not making your parents proud by being rude and disruptive.
She and Trump Jr left the stage moments later.

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ringo
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Message 63 of 308 (866512)
11-12-2019 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by Hyroglyphx
11-12-2019 11:32 AM


Re: Promoting Cautiously. Topic Will Be Moderated.
Hyroglyphx writes:
No, you are definitely an insider --
Check out my reply to Faith in Message 59.
Hyroglyphx writes:
You constantly offer what is basically tantamount one-liners.
Seventeen thousand one-liners add up. If you're confused about the depth of my position on any issue, feel free to read my posts. We'll wait.
Hroglyphx writes:
Don't confuse popularity with the rightness of a position.
Don't confuse "rightness" of a position with strength of a position. Consensus is not just popularity.

"If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...."
-- Rudyard Kipling

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Faith 
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Message 64 of 308 (866513)
11-12-2019 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by PaulK
11-12-2019 11:33 AM


Re: Irony
I wonder why I doubt this report.

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PaulK
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Message 65 of 308 (866514)
11-12-2019 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 64 by Faith
11-12-2019 11:39 AM


Re: Irony
quote:
I wonder why I doubt this report.
Because you don’t like it, of course.

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Theodoric
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Message 66 of 308 (866515)
11-12-2019 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 55 by Hyroglyphx
11-12-2019 10:17 AM


Re: Promoting Cautiously. Topic Will Be Moderated.
Somebody has a guilty conscience! I didn't drop a single name! But, hey, if the boot fits, aye.... amirite?
You really think you made some sort of point and exposed me about something? You called out everyone that is not a hard right nut job. Yes, I admit I am not a hard right nut job. I think that is quite obvious. Let's look at what you posted.
hyro writes:
EvC has basically always been a huge echo chamber and circle jerk for left-leaning ideologues certain of their righteousness. The boot-licking, ass-kissing, lap dogs around here (of which there are many) have license to spew whatever invective they please while you seem to have a different set of rules.
Yup. That is just about everyone, except you, Faith and Marc9000. Yeah, you really burned me. Actually, I think you did what the kids call a self-pwn.
Good job also on keeping up your tradition of not responding to what people actually write.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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AZPaul3
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Message 67 of 308 (866516)
11-12-2019 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 64 by Faith
11-12-2019 11:39 AM


Re: Irony
Because it's reality and puts your beloved alt-reich wing in a bad light showing it to be, as some of us have been saying all along, much worse than your stilted view of the left.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Theodoric
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Message 68 of 308 (866517)
11-12-2019 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 64 by Faith
11-12-2019 11:39 AM


Re: Irony
Because you refuse to consider anything that threatens your worldview. No matter the amount of facts and evidence presented.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 69 of 308 (866518)
11-12-2019 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 58 by Percy
11-12-2019 11:24 AM


Re: Promoting Cautiously. Topic Will Be Moderated.
So now you're being honest with yourself that you're no moderate? Your avatar is false, too.
Compared to you (far left) and compared to Faith (far right) I am as moderate as it gets. The only other moderate I can think of on the forum is Phat.
It's incomprehensible that you don't admit being a fellow traveler with the alt-right and Trump, given that your views so closely align with theirs.
And what view is that, aside from my support of the 2nd Amendment? What position(s) do I hold that aligns so closely with the Alt-Right? We're eking towards Godwin's Law here. If I wanted to reduce you to a Stalinist, all I'd have to do is point out a few similarities and ascribe them to you.
As I've pointed out before, when have I ever shied away from controversy or speaking my mind in the decade + that I've been here??? If I was Alt-Right I would proudly just tell you.
But you and Faith could have a wonderful discussion. Premise: Trump is a wonderful president.
He's not a wonderful president and is in fact one of the worst, of which, I've been very vocal about.
Fertility rates decline as women's rights and education increase, and the answer is immigration, something the right seems firmly against.
And I have stated that immigration is of vital importance to the security of the United States. I am in agreement that the declining birth rate is problematic for the countries experiencing it and that smart, sensible immigration is an excellent way to hedge against it.
You keep saying "the Right" and making associations with me. I'm against Trump, I'm against the outdated concept of a wall, I'm in support of increased legal immigration, etc. You took one thing where I said the way France, Sweden and Germany is doing it is stupid and built an entire false narrative out of it.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Faith 
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Message 70 of 308 (866519)
11-12-2019 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by PaulK
11-12-2019 11:44 AM


Re: Irony
No it's becvause I know the kind of reception Trump Jr. Has been getting on the various conservative talk shows and your report doesn't reflect that reception.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 71 of 308 (866521)
11-12-2019 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by Hyroglyphx
11-12-2019 11:55 AM


Re: Promoting Cautiously. Topic Will Be Moderated.
I know you hate Trump, I know the ways you disagree with me, I wonder why nobody else does.

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Faith 
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Message 72 of 308 (866522)
11-12-2019 12:05 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by AZPaul3
11-12-2019 11:50 AM


Re: Irony
Please do not insult me. I know what I'm saying and why, I don't need your jaundiced ideological putdowns, thank you.

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ringo
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Message 73 of 308 (866524)
11-12-2019 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by Faith
11-12-2019 12:03 PM


Re: Promoting Cautiously. Topic Will Be Moderated.
Faith writes:
I know you **** Trump, I know the ways you disagree with me, I wonder why nobody else does.
Maybe because you define "hate" as pointing out his lies.

"If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...."
-- Rudyard Kipling

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PaulK
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Message 74 of 308 (866525)
11-12-2019 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by Faith
11-12-2019 12:00 PM


Re: Irony
quote:
No it's becvause I know the kind of reception Trump Jr. Has been getting on the various conservative talk shows and your report doesn't reflect that reception
And why would it ? It should be easy to find talk shows that aren’t affiliated with the group that heckled him.

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RAZD
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Message 75 of 308 (866526)
11-12-2019 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by Percy
11-12-2019 11:24 AM


Population Decline ... is it a problem?
I'm reading Empty Planet: The Shock of Global Population Decline right now. One of the points it makes is that most countries of the western world have a fertility rate below replacement rate, which means their populations are decreasing. Replacement rate is 2.1, and we're at 1.8. Japan's is at 1.44, and their population has already started to decline. We and western Europe will soon follow them. Eastern Europe's population decline has already begun. Bulgaria has declined from 9 million in 1985 to 7 million today.
It is a rational reaction to overpopulation, it doesn't mean it will continue until there is no population. When populations exceed the carrying capacity of their ecology, the population adjusts by reducing population.
Fertility rates decline as women's rights and education increase, ...
Women's rights are part of education and a progressive society that believes that every person deserves the same rights to pursue their life the way they want to live will adjust overall behavior accordingly. It's not only women declining to have children, but men as well, often choosing smaller families than their spouses would like.
... and the answer is immigration, something the right seems firmly against. Despite the opposition the U.S. accepts about a million immigrants per year, but if we don't want to have a declining population, if we don't want to be hollowed out from the inside, then that number needs to rise to about three million per year.
And if we as an educated progressive society want a smaller population then having a temporary declining population is desirable.
Most of the problems in the world can be traced to overpopulation. We don't need to live cheek by jowl in ever more crowded environments.
The population in the US is over twice what it was when I was in school.
Global climate change has accelerated in that time frame as more people demand and use more energy wasting toys. The mining of fossil fuels to supply that energy demand has also doubled.
Enjoy
Edited by RAZD, : .

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