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Taq Member Posts: 10045 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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Faith writes: Russian meddling was on the side of Hillary, not Trump, Whose emails were hacked? Who were the Russian ads attacking?
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Faith writes: here's lots of evidence being verified by the various investigative bodies, they don't need mine. What evidence?
Meanwhile there are lots of books out there that contain it, probably books you've never heard of. Apparently, they're books you aren't aware of because you can't cite any evidence. How do you know they aren't just baseless allegations with no evidence to back them?
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Faith writes: No there was no quid pro quo OR extortion. The Democrats just keep changing the definition of what they are trying to impeach him for because none of it is impeachable, and they will soon abandon extortion too. This is the part I don't get. You could care less if there was a quid pro quo because you would support Trump no matter what. So why keep up this charade? Multiple people with knowledge of what went on have said there was a quid pro quo. Those are the facts.
They are trying to get their lies, their emotional words. int othe public mind, knowing they are lies but not caring That's exactly what Trump does every time he plays the victim. "Witch hunt" and "Fake News" are all emotional words meant to deflect away from the truth.
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Faith writes: Not I. I know how the **** operates, it is they I'm suspicious of. Of course nobody else here is, but I am. All they've done for three years is make mountains out of molehills, invent crimes out of nothing, anything to hold against the Preident, and that's all they want to do with his tax returns. Since his are ****** to be extremely compolicated and nobody on the **** is going to understand them anyway, just as they don't understand how everything Trump has done is perfectly legal and Constitutional that they are trying to impeach him for because it just doesn't sound right to them, Interesting. You claim that no one can understand Trump's taxes, yet you claim they are legal. Which is it? You would have to understand Trump's taxes in order to claim they are legal. Also, accepting something of worth for a political campaign from a foreign country is illegal. Obstructing Congress by ignoring subpoenas is illegal.
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Faith writes: Aid was not mentioned at all in the phone call, . . . There is so much more than just a phone call. This was a campaign that went on for months. The phone call is just a tiny, tiny piece of the overall problem. Only members of the Cult of Trump pretend as if the phone call is all that exists.
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Faith writes: Sure there are "plenty of mentions of aid in the statements of the witnesses" but they aren't witnesses, they didn't witness anything, they got it all second and third hand and even just made it up because it fit their strategy although none of it is in the transcript of the actual phone call which was said to be quite accurate. Again, there is much, much more than just the phone call. For example, William Taylor was a direct witness to Sondland telling him that a visit to the White House and $400 million in aid depended on Ukraine publicaly announcing investigations into Biden. Do you think Sondland was a rogue agent acting on his own? Multiple witnesses have now come forward who are direct witnesses to WH officials stating outright that aid was conditioned on public investigations into Biden. DIRECT WITNESSES!!
They just made it all up to suit their political agenda, and that was apparent in much of the testimony in the hearings today when the Republicans interrogated them. If "liar, liar, pants on fire" is the best that you can do, then you have admitted defeat.
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Faith writes: A witness would be someone who ***** Trump's phone calls or talked to Trump personally. there were a couple of those. Everybody else was not a witness. William Taylor was a direct witness to Sondland telling him that there was a quid pro quo. Sondland has stated that he was following Trump's orders. It isn't that hard to figure out.
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Faith writes: Sure you can get a bunch of Democrats to agree on what it all means and tell roughly the same story although there's been a lot of dscrpancy the Republican interrogators have been exposing, It isn't Democrats testifying. These are people from the Trump Administration including non-partisan career officials.
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Faith writes: Funny I recall Sondland ************ saying Trump ************ said he ************* did not want a quid pro quo. That was only after they got caught.
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Faith writes: Politico specifically showed that Ukraine was working on Hillary's side against Trump, There is no evidence that there was a government supported effort to support Hillary on the part of the Ukrainians. At most, individual Ukrainians voiced their poor opinions of Trump. This is completely different than what we saw with Russia. In the case of Russia, government money flowed into groups that posted fake news about Hillary Clinton, and government money supported the hacking of the DNC server. This is not in any way comparable to the opinions voiced by individual Ukrainians. Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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Faith writes: Righto, we must protect the Democrat point of view no matter what, so under the bus goes the Politico story which clearly identified the Ukrainian GOVERNMENT as working for Hilllary, Where in the evidence for the claim that the Ukrainian government worked for Hillary?
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Faith writes: Politico gave evidence. I guess you are denying it? Politico gave no evidence that there was a top-down effort by the Ukrainian government to work with Hillary. Individual officials may have cooperated with a journalist who was acting on their own, but there is no government-wide effort to interfere in our elections. In fact, it was government policy to not do that:
quote: So it was the Ukrainian governments position to not get involved in American politics. Russia, on the other hand, made it their business to do just the opposite. Also, the people who did offer information were doing so with Chalupa, not at the behest of Hillary:
quote: Perhaps you should actually read the article.
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Faith writes: Nobody is denying Russian interference, . . . Yes, they are denying it. Trump is denying it. That's what the whole Crowdstrike conspiracy theory is about. That is one of the investigations that Trump asked the Ukrainians to start, a debunked conspiracy theory that Ukrainians framed Russia for the DNC hacked emails. It is all Russian propaganda, and Trump is all to happy to repeat it. Why?
Paid for legally? That makes it OK to use false information to destroy Trump's campaign? Umm, yes. Legal is ok, while illegal is not. It's not that hard to figure out. When someone uses their public office to pressure a foreign government to announce investigations into their political rivals, that is illegal. When a private citizen pays a domestic investigation firm to do opposition research, that is legal. Laws matter.
Well, it's the "evidence" that launched the Mueller investigation. No, it isn't. That's a lie. The FBI gathered evidence outside of the dossier, such as Trump campaign officials bragging about the upcoming release of DNA emails before they were released. Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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Faith writes: Trump is denying Russian COLLUSION on his part and his campaign's part, he is not denying Russian interference. Trump is denying it by pushing the Crowdstrike conspiracy theory. The conspiracy states that Russia was framed for the hack into the DNA email server. Can you quote Trump as ever agreeing with the intelligence community that Russia interfered in the 2016 election?
What on earth are you talking about? Who cares if the dossier was legally purchased? Law abiding citizens care. Don't you care if the law is followed?
they got a FISA warrant on the basis of claiming it was verified. You need to evidence to back this up. You need statements from a judge stating that warrants were issued based on the dossier.
And Trump did no such thing. That is what Trump is being accused of. Would you agree that if a public official did pressure a foreign government to open a baseless allegation into their political rivals, that this would be illegal and impeachable?
Biden is on video record bragging about denying aid to Ukraine if the prosecutor was not fired who was investigating the company his son worked for. Biden was acting in our national interest and on stated policy by calling for the firing a corrupt prosecutor. This is well established. It serves no national interest for Ukraine to pursue debunked conspiracy theories that would only benefit Trump's reelection campaign. That's the difference.
the point is that it's a bunch of lies she bought and used against Trump. The point is that Trump abused his office.
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Faith writes: It's the Democrat witch hunt that is abusing power, not Trump. Impeaching a corrupt President is what Congressional powers are all about.
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