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Trump or JesusTrump followers might find it difficult.

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It's as consistent as it would be if you'd demanded anything else he's legally not required to give you and he refused.

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The courts so far have held that the demands for the tax returns are legal. Trump is insisting on a major expansion of Presidential immunity to keep them secret.Which is consistent with the entire Trump a attitude to investigation going back to the seventies. Obstruct, obstruct, obstruct.

Funny how the woman who linked to Russian state media trashing Biden still hasn’t figured out that the Russians are backing Trump.

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What did I link for what purpose where you devious insinuator?

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You linked to a Russia Today video to prove that Biden boasted about getting the Ukrainian prosecutor sacked. Which wasn’t the only attack on Biden there.

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The Russians are NOT backing Trump

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Apart from the advertising, the leak of the DNC emails, the trashing of a Biden, the Trump Tower meeting...Nobody can be this blind.

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They backed Hillary as did the Ukraine.

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Russia is practically at war with the Ukraine. That’s WHY America is giving military aid to the Ukraine. Fortunately the Republicans in Congress aren’t as pro-Russian as Trump.

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Hillary is the Leftist,

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Which would be a reason for the current Russian government to oppose her.

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Trump has been opposing their policies they have no reason to support him

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He’s been pretty reluctant in fact.

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For instance Trump has been giving aid to the Ukirainian military in order to defend themselves against Russia since he took office, aid that Obama denied them

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The aid he tried to block until Congress made him release it. And military aid was sent to the Ukraine under Obama.

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Why should Russian be in favor of that? You guys are up to your necks in lying propagadanda.

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Because Trump is so divisive, he weakens America, that’s why the Russians are so happy what is going on, as the Republican Party rallies around the cover-up. And we know that you’re the one supplying the lying propaganda here. As usual.

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Aid was not mentioned at all in the phone call...

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Zelensky explicitly mentioned the missiles - which the military aid was for. Trump immediately asked for a favour,

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... even if it had been it is common for Presidents to make aid contingent on such things as whether there is corruption in the country to receive it

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Trump wasn’t concerned with corruption, he wanted Zelensky to help find the imaginary server and to announce that Hunter Biden was being investigated (see Sondland’s testimony - Trump didn’t need an actual investigation, just the announcement).And since you mention corruption it seems that Politico got it’s facts wrong. Manafort’s dealings with the Russians were revealed by anti-corruption investigators, BBC
The aid was given - but only because Republican Senators pushed Trump into it. And the White House visit for Zelensky - the other part of the deal - has not happened.

Sondland donated a million dollars to Trump’s inauguration. Which likely had a lot to do with his appointment.

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About the server Trump keeps going on about: No such server ever existed or could exist - the DNC servers, just like the RNC servers and the server for this forum, were in the cloud. Websites are not commonly associated with specific webservers (computers configured for serving web content) anymore. For the most part it's just data images on disks that can run on any server in the cloud. Bottom line: there was never any specific "DNC server," and so there can be no DNC server that was spirited off to the Ukraine.

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It’s even crazier than that. The idea that the Democrats would damage their own campaign to have an insurance policy against Trump winning is obviously absurd. Especially when there seems to be no idea of how it could work.

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How very very interesting. Not surprising though. Every word you wrote describes the Democrats and not the Republicans. How interesting. This sort of reversal of fcct is the main thing chrctrizing American politics these day

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And you are the one responsible for the reversal. Indeed it’s one of your favourite tactics.It’s the Republicans who obstructed judicial appointments under Obama, so they could flood the courts with political appointees. It’s the Republicans who are caught in electoral fraud. It’s the Republicans who are gerrymandering and engaging in voter suppression tactics.And there are plenty of Republican hate mongers like Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh and worse. We really don’t see anything like as much from the Democrats.

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...there has never been such irrational htttred as we see coming from the llkes of Schiff and those trying to impeach Trump for completed invented misdeeds.

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By which you mean you hate Schiff for his part in bringing the evidence of misdeeds to light.Hate and smears. That’s the Republican defence. To my mind that’s an admission of guilt.

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There has never been such distortion of American institutions and American politics as we've been seeing in this sharade of an impeachment hearing

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The Democrats are acting within the Constitution- it’s the Republican obstruction and smears which are the problem.

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The sharade of the Mueller Report should have been enough but the Democrats' utterly irrational hytred of Donald trump is going to come up with something, anything, no matter how false, and their followers are going to eat it up.

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Yes, the Republicans want the Russians to meddle with the election. On their behalf, want to be able to obstruct allinvestigation - and talk as if that’s their right,The Republicans are out to destroy the Republic. They want sham elections and show trials. Stalin would be proud,

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All I can do is say the same thing I already said of course, it's you guys who have everything backwards. I hear the trvth every day but you all seem to get only the fake news.

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Yes we understand that you think it’s right to smear the Democrats and wrong to tell the truth about the Republicans. But that’s an example of the hate.You choose to listen to the hate because you love it. You choose to reject accurate reporting as fake news. But that’s your problem, not ours.

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Yes Coulter is usually good though lately she seems to have gone off the rails. Limbaugh is still good though. And Hannity and Mark Levin who puts in a lot of work analyzing all the elements of what's going on, and others.

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Coulter was always off the rails. That’s what you liked. The others are just as bad.

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Yes it is the Democrats trying to destroy the Repubic and just about succeeding already, with their Stalinist tactics of show trials, shutting up the opposition and so on. Every word you said in that last paragraph describes the Democrats.

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And there you go with the reversal tactic again. It’s really overused, and not very clever.

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I hope this ridiculous Russian collusion thing eventually gets shown for what it is. Yes they tried to affect the election, but on Hillary's side, and they didn't succeed, but the Ukrainians were also trying to do that and according to Politico of January 2017 they did succeed.

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You mean that you hope that the real evidence gets covered up in favour of your ridiculous false narrative, the Russians did nothing to support Hilary Clinton. And Politico got it wrong about the Ukraine - it was their anti-corruption organisation that exposed Manafort.

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One of your preferred tacts these days seems to be putting words in my mouth, "you really mean..." etc.

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Actually that really is what you mean. You don’t want the actual facts to come out you just want your false narrative to be confirmed. There is no sign of the Russians supporting Hilary Clinton at all. But there is plenty of evidence of the Russians supporting Trump.

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One of the republican interrogators at the impeachment hearings made that point too. Wish I could remember his name. There were a lot of strong republican speeches against that travesty of a legal proceeding, that Stalinist star chamber as many have been describing it.

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Yes, the Republican Party is firmly anti-American, spitting on the Constitution in the name of retaining power. And you support that.Let us note that these accusations lack any factual basis and even misrepresent the very nature of the proceedings. And it comes from someone who wants Stalinist show-trials of political opponents.

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Well sometimes pertinent anyway, but in this case there is no corrupt President and what is being called an impeachment hearing is a charade of opinion, hearsay, presumption, denial of due process, a tyrannical partisan moderator, violation of Constitutional principles, all masquerading as legal.

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And more false accusations all in the name of protecting a president who’s been shown to be corrupt.

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Destruction of the institutions of the government, possibly destruction of America in the end

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That’s exactly what the Republicans are doing. And you’re all for it.

Which argues against the US alliance with Saudi Arabia - supported by the Right.Remember the fuss over Trump’s Muslim ban ? Remember how the leftists here argued that the exclusion of Saudi Arabia from the list of affected countries was significant and a problem ? The problem is not religious freedom, the problem is support for Saudi Arabia - and that comes from the Right even more than it does the Left.For you to turn around and ignore that and to use it as an excuse for overturning Constitutional freedoms is - the sort of thing we expect. Well done, living down to our low opinions of you and the Right..

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it isn't a matter of just reading the Conswtitution since people read it and don't get it right

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Notably you and Marc. This is why your call for education looks more like a call for a misinformation campaign. Just another of your attacks on the Constitution.

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... juswt as they read the Bible and don't get it right

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Notably you, again.

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Yeah you want a Marxist misreading of the Constitution of course,whicfh is mostly what we are getting these days anyway.

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Making up ridiculous fantasies only confirms my point. There is nothing Marxist for instance in accepting that non-citizens are people.

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I did not say to exclude any point of view, go back and reqad what I wsaid, but I do want a strong represwentation of the conservative reading because that is 3what nobody ever gets to hear.

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Misrepresentations have no place in honest education. And that is what you want.

The only way to right a completely imaginary wrong is to genuinely commit that same wrong. And you don’t think that’s nuts ?Partisan abuse of the Impeachment power to the extent - and Levin is openly intending to abuse it - is a real threat to the Republic.Of course it won’t work if you actually follow the model of the proceedings, so no doubt additional abuses would be required. And of course you’ll support the pretence that the Democrats did the same thing.It’s so obviously vile and corrupt and harmful to the Republic - and obviously unChristian - that I’m not surprised you love it. It really does confirm my view of you.