Testing The Christian Apologists

Yup.You outline the perfect SnakeOil Medicine Man Carny Barker Conman product.It's been successfully sold by SnakeOil Medicine Men, Conmen and Carny Barkers since the so called Reformation and is the sole product sold by the CCoI.It's perfect.No product liability.No Truth in Advertising risks.No major investments needed.And the Rubes line up to buy it.

And that is yet another example of the Carny Side Show conman spiel. It is just another stupid saying refuted by reality and evidence.R. C. Sproul loved to use a hundred words when only two were needed.AbE: Your sig quote from Sproul is a great example of utterly meaningless nonsense marketed as though it were wisdom.Edited by jar, : see AbE

No Phat, as I said in the post, I object to his utterly stupid and absurd comments like the ones you used.Edited by jar, : No reason given.Edited by jar, : clarify, clarify!

No one thinks belief is impossible but belief certainly is irrational.

No one denies that beliefs are possible.How many times have I said that my beliefs are irrational? Again, as I have pointed out to you several times in this thread I do not dismiss R.C. Sproul based on preconceived notions but rather on the utter absurd stuff he markets like the R.C. Sproul quotes in your signature. It is a dismissal based on the evidence of what he writes. Again and yet again. Do you ever actually read ANYTHING.How many times have I asked what a living Christ even means or what an active Holy Spirit even means? How many times have I failed to get an answer to either question from you or anyone else that markets such slogans?How many times have I asked how anyone can identify either of those alleged critters? How many times have I failed to get an answer? Again and again and again yet again. Do you ever actually read ANYTHING.How many times have I said I am a Christian because I was raised in a Christian family, educated in a Christian School, a member of a recognized Chapter of Club Christian, active in Christian communion and believe in Jesus teachings. What does "God is living and actively present" even mean? How can you tell those are actually facts?

Why do you ask me to check my brain at the door?

There you go misrepresenting my position yet again Phat.Why do you feel the need to do that? How can I believe something when no one can even explain what it means?How many times have I asked "What does that even mean" only to fail to get any answers?AbE:Let me expand slightly.It's hard to identify what being alive means but there are a few characteristics.Living things take in fuel, convert it to energy and expel waste products but they also have a specific physical form and reproduce. They also transmit genetic material to a new generation and are subject to changes in genetics that can also be passed on.There are may things that have some of the characteristics of living things but not all. For example fire takes in fuel, converts it to energy, expels waste but it is not a living thing.So when someone says "Jesus is living today" does that mean Jesus takes in fuel, converts it to energy, expels waste, has a specific physical form, reproduces and transmits genetic material to a new generation and is subject to changes in genetics that can will also be passed on?If so, those are all things that should be detectable and leave evidence.Where's the evidence?Oh, it doesn't mean that? Then what does it mean?Edited by jar, : Se AbE:

Notice no where in all that dogma did you offer any explanation of what anything means or any way to determine if any of those things exist. That's the issue so far with ALL of the Apologists and much of Christianity; it is nothing but word salad.

Once again you are simply posting really silly stuff.Many believers, even Bishops in actual recognized Chapters of Club Christian acknowledge that reality and evidence trump beliefs and fantasy.

Yes, the conclusion will be what is supported by reality and evidence. No Phat, that jury is not still out. It is not necessary for anyone to speak for reality and evidence since they will always trump beliefs and fantasies.

But once again Phat.What does the evidence show?Where is there any evidence that anything Spong said is false? Well, it is an easy issue to check. The establishment is the Apostolic Succession for one line. And in case you were not aware, that Chapter of Club Christian was established by Henry VIII and is the Chapter that gave Christianity the Book of Common Prayer and the Authorized King James Bible.There is no real reason to question what is really easy to answer. Yes, as a Christian I believe Jesus exists but what does that have to do with the topic?The issue is testing what the Apologists say and so far you have not presented even one example of an Apologist that stands up to even cursory scrutiny.Edited by jar, : on ---------> one

As usual, you simply ignore all the information and evidence that you don't like.

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Again, that is another carny spiel with no meaning. Sounds good but is utterly meaningless and worthless. It's another handy way to avoid actually thinking.Jesus said that to accept him meant to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, protect the weak, shelter the homeless, heal the sick and suffer the little children.Maybe those points have been mentioned before.You claim I advocate a watered down humanist version of Christianity yet Jesus says that we should feed the hungry, clothe the naked, protect the weak, shelter the homeless, heal the sick and suffer the little children.That certainly seems humanist.Jesus does not say "I will feed the hungry, clothe the naked, protect the weak, shelter the homeless, heal the sick and suffer the little children." Jesus says YOU should feed the hungry, clothe the naked, protect the weak, shelter the homeless, heal the sick and suffer the little children.Only humans can do it.

Yet more totally meaningless feel good carny spiel. Of course people teach folk how to walk; in fact there is a whole profession who's sole job is teaching folk how to walk and talk and even parents that teach kids how to go potty. No Phat, I do what the Bible says we should do; to know them by their fruits. It is not any propaganda, I simply observe the behavior of those who claim to be "Biblical Christians".Have you ever actually read Lewis Phat?You should know by now that I have.Who is Emeth and what happens to him?Are you sure you want to try to use Lewis against someone who has read ALL of Lewis; both CS and Carroll.Edited by jar, : appalin spallinEdited by jar, : tech ----> teachEdited by jar, : no k in now

You need to understand Mere Christianity in context. It is a collection of BBC radio broadcasts made between 1941 and 1944. The goal was quite frankly propaganda; an attempt to instill a sense of communion and endurance during a really dark and depressing time.But CS Lewis wrote lots; simply doing a Cliff's Notes survey misses so much of what he actually did contribute.Phat, you certainly don't believe it but my theology really is nowhere near unfounded, unorthodox or unique. What it is is called "To Be Avoided" by the CCoI.Edited by jar, : left out unorthodox