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Author Topic:   A Believers Critique Of The Humanist Manifesto
ringo
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Message 87 of 175 (813644)
06-29-2017 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 83 by New Cat's Eye
06-28-2017 10:47 PM


Re: Imagine If You Dare
New Cat's Eye writes:

They'd all agree with me that God exists and you're wrong so that's a billion in my favor


No, that doesn't count. That's like saying Long John Silver is the equivalent of Holden Caulfield. I might agree that they exist on the same level but I can still like one more than the other.

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Message 89 of 175 (813660)
06-29-2017 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by New Cat's Eye
06-29-2017 12:36 PM


Re: Imagine If You Dare
New cat's Eye writes:

No, it's like saying the movie version of Long John Silver is better than the book one.


Well, the Robert Newton version is better than the Wallace Beery version or the Eddie Izzard version. (I haven't seen the Charlton Heston version). The book is better than most of them.

But we're comparing one fictional character with another, not one denomination of fans with another.

New Cat's Eye writes:

I'm saying a billion muslims would agree with me that God exists - that their concept of god differs some from mine doesn't make mine a fictional character.


And I'm saying that existence is not the salient factor. Even a god that "exists" might be a false god. False and fictional are closely related.

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Message 91 of 175 (813738)
06-30-2017 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 90 by Phat
06-29-2017 2:41 PM


Re: Imagine If You Dare
Phat writes:

Confirmation bias may well fill in the blanks...as I believe that there is One Spirit and a host of wannabe imitators. Thus in my mind, a voice...feeling...or even observation can be subjectively said to "exist" and yet confirming my belief that it is a false god. A demon.


Indeed, whether the observation was real or not, your biases decide whether it's a true god or a false god. If you were biased toward evidence you might have said it was a brain-glitch, or just a misinterpretation of the data.

Phat writes:

Granted I have a measure of respect within my community due to my reputation for questioning things that most believers won't even touch.


Congratulations to your community. Many religious communities would condemn you for questioning anything. When they're fixated on an unsupportable position, condemnation is all they have.

Phat writes:

In my mind, I have a high degree of confidance that none of them are the Real Slim Shady.


So, as I've asked before, how DO you recognize the real Slim Shady? Is it just coincidence that you believe in the same Slim Shady as your neighbours? Is it just coincidence that Cleopatra and Tutankhamen believed in the same Slim Shady, though different from yours?

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Message 93 of 175 (813754)
06-30-2017 12:14 PM
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06-30-2017 12:07 PM


Re: Imagine If You Dare
I could mention pedophile priests but I won't.

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Message 124 of 175 (866817)
11-16-2019 11:01 AM
Reply to: Message 121 by Faith
11-16-2019 8:27 AM


Re: Humanist Clout vs Theocratic Clout
Faith writes:

... marriage is beteween one man and one woman, period.


That's a very modern romantic concept. Throughout most of human history, including Biblical history, marriage was an agreement between two men - a father paying another man to take his daughter off his hands.

"If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...."
-- Rudyard Kipling

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ringo
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Message 127 of 175 (866828)
11-16-2019 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 126 by Faith
11-16-2019 11:33 AM


Re: Humanist Clout vs Theocratic Clout
Jacob bought his wife. In fact, Laban pulled the old bait-and-switch and Jacob had to buy two wives. He also cleaved unto two servant girls.

"If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...."
-- Rudyard Kipling

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Message 131 of 175 (866832)
11-16-2019 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 128 by Faith
11-16-2019 11:43 AM


Re: Humanist Clout vs Theocratic Clout
Faith writes:

I didn't say they OBEYED the law, I merely stated the law.


It's not a law. The Commandments mention no such law.

"If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...."
-- Rudyard Kipling

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Message 160 of 175 (866923)
11-17-2019 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 152 by Faith
11-17-2019 7:57 AM


Re: Humanist Clout vs Theocratic Clout
Faith writes:

It is considered to be a law, called a "Creation Ordinance" and we are to obey the Creation Ordinances as laws.


That's reverse engineering - i.e. adjusting the Bible to fit the doctrine.

"If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...."
-- Rudyard Kipling

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Message 163 of 175 (866926)
11-17-2019 1:30 PM
Reply to: Message 161 by Faith
11-17-2019 1:24 PM


Re: Humanist Clout vs Theocratic Clout
Faith writes:

I suspect it is simply how men of superior spirituality understand the *****.


No such thing as "superior spirituality". Jesus Himself recommended the understanding of a child.

"If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...."
-- Rudyard Kipling

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Message 165 of 175 (866929)
11-17-2019 1:35 PM
Reply to: Message 164 by Faith
11-17-2019 1:33 PM


Re: Humanist Clout vs Theocratic Clout
Faith writes:

The understanding of a child IS superior spirituality.


Amen. But you're contradicting yourself. It isn't the understanding of a child that puts your definition on marriage.

"If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...."
-- Rudyard Kipling

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Message 170 of 175 (866982)
11-18-2019 11:18 AM
Reply to: Message 168 by Phat
11-18-2019 5:09 AM


Re: The Coming Apocalypse: Secular Humanist Version.
Phat writes:

... noted secular humanist Bart Campolo.


Who's noting him?

"If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...."
-- Rudyard Kipling

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