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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
So you have no idea if there is a buddhist hell?
Curious why you did not respond to my other questions. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
What kind of stupid comment is that? I said they do have a Hell. I said it more than once. I knew it from reading about it and I also know it from conversations with a Buddhist teacher. The pictures should add to the certainty.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
So you know nothing about a Buddhist hell. If you did you would be able to talk about it.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
ringo writes: Perhaps you and I see different evidence. And to be fair, perhaps some of what I see as evidence are subjective feelings and experiences. I will report them, however, because there are certain events in one's life that affect their behavior and world views for the rest of their lives. Based on the evidence, I conclude that Jesus didn't exist. I've by now read several books from both apologists making their arguments and by critics and atheists who make their cases also. Though I think that I am more open-minded than most "believers" I will admit that my entire perspective is based on my strongly held beliefs which originated with my conversion back in 1993. I dont see myself as a truth-seeker that simply allows bits and pieces of evidence to take me wherever the conclusions lead. I feel very strongly that there is deception in the world today and that we all are in a sense involved in a spiritual war--a war for truth. I believe that this truth is the truth of Jesus Christ, who I believe is God's messenger and very character. When I was "saved" in early 1993, I experienced a definite change in my life and feeling. This experience was admittedly influenced by a church that I was with, but the feeling was not because of them, I am quite sure. In fact, I think that many of them did not have the feeling of knowing that God was real and that the very Spirit was living and active within us. I believe that not everyone has this. Critics claim that this idea that Christianity is exclusive and subjective rather than inclusive and objective is the main reason they reject it...unless they happen to be similarly aware. Keep in mind that as I write this I am critical of myself. Never to the point of doubt, but always to the point of questioning what I feel, what Ive felt, and what others such as you claim I am supposed to feel and conclude. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction . "~Thugpreacha You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I think I know where you are taking this.
quote:Except in my mind, it is not a cultural thing. It's a human thing. Do I believe in Hell? To be honest, I don't know. Logically it would not make sense for humans to be doomed for hell when an all-powerful Creator could simply make the faulty ones cease to exist which, according to descriptions from all religions embracing such concepts, much more humane. On the other hand if Hell were intended as a sort of prison for rebellious spiritual beings, which ostensibly don't ever die, then the concept would make some sense. Humans would theoretically only end up there by default through rejecting Jesus. In addition, I can readily see the arguments that assert that the concept of hell was a fear and manipulation tactic by organized religion. And this is where it gets tricky. For if everything was initially taught and described by humans and if humans were fallible creatures of whom some were conmen and manipulators, finding the real truth through this smokescreen would be (and is) somewhat difficult. I use my intuition which I believe that I acquired when I first changed. Yet here again is a conundrum. Observation shows that people do in fact have a dramatic change when they first get saved, but that few of them maintain it and fall back into their old patterns and ways. For me personally, this happened. If anything, I knew better whereas I used to not even care before all of this. The seesaw battle within my own mind has thus been projected by myself into a global problem. In my mind, the jury is still out...not for me personally, but for everyone else.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction . "~Thugpreacha You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Buddhist Hell as I understand consists of different realms for the punishment of different kinds of sins. I haven't studied it, why should I? I gave evidence that it exists and that's enough for my purposes in this discussion.
But I suppose to punish gluttony they starve them or make them eat dirt? To punish adultery they cut out their genitals? To punish lying they cut out the tongue? Perhaps they murder murderers over and over again? I've read stuff like that somewhere, maybe it applies here. But I'm interested in the mere fact that they have a place of punishment which Christianity also has though it is denied. The Bible speaks of Hell but does not define it. I guess we could also read up on Hades, the Greek version of Hell, or others, but the point is simple: Christianity did not invent Hell, the concept preexisted Christ in many cultures already. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You are thinking of Naraka. Yes, some people do refer to it with the term "hell" but it has no real correspondence to the Dante inspired HELL marketed by the cult of Fundamental Christianity.
You can learn about Naraka here.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Buddhist Hell as I understand consists of different realms for the punishment of different kinds of sins. I haven't studied it, why should I? I gave evidence that it exists and that's enough for my purposes in this discussion. And it isn't permanent banishment, so equating it with Fundy Christian Hell is a false comparison -- it is closer to purgatory.
quote: Of course it is clearly myth rather than fact and you can apply whatever fantasy you want to it. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Well, I don't see any evidence and you don't present any, so....
ringo writes:
Perhaps you and I see different evidence. Based on the evidence, I conclude that Jesus didn't exist. Phat writes:
Learn what evidence is.
And to be fair, perhaps some of what I see as evidence are subjective feelings and experiences. Phat writes:
Are you ever going to present any of the apologists' arguments here? If you can't articulate the arguments, you're opinion that they're right doesn't carry much weight.
I've by now read several books from both apologists making their arguments and by critics and atheists who make their cases also. Phat writes:
We know that. You see yourself as somebody who already knows the absolute truth.
I dont see myself as a truth-seeker that simply allows bits and pieces of evidence to take me wherever the conclusions lead. Phat writes:
The deception is on the part of the apologists. If it's a "war", you're on the wrong side. I feel very strongly that there is deception in the world today and that we all are in a sense involved in a spiritual war--a war for truth."If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...." -- Rudyard Kipling
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Percy Member Posts: 22392 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Faith writes: Why should I believe they are Trump supporters. What's the evidence? The chants of "USA, USA" and other Trump slogans at the beginning made clear it was a strongly predominant Trump crowd, and it was the same crowd shouting "Q&A, Q&A" when Trump Jr. left the stage. The campus newspaper reporter said there was only one vocal anti-Trump supporter, and she was shown wearing a hijab in one of the videos. --Percy
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
What you aren't getting is that infiltrators are going to act like Trump supporters so they can provide the fake news of shouting him off the stage. I simply don't know of any actual Trump supporters who would have done that to Trump Jr. But perhaps you have better evidence.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No it isn't permanent but there is also reincarnation which brings you back as an animal or insect which isn't much more fun. Anyway the Buddhist Hell it is a place where sins are punished, and I bet most people don't know that, most people think Christianity invented Hell. But no, what Christianity gave us was a Savior from it. If you are willing to go through thousands of lives before you finally figure out how to snuff out your karma and experience Nirvana, go ahead. I find it too hard to believe in reincarnation myself, and I know of some actual Buddhists who fear coming back as an animal, speaking of fearing Hell. Or even coming back as a human being only with no memory of their identity in this life.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Anyway the Buddhist Hell it is a place where sins are punished, and I bet most people don't know that, most people think Christianity invented Hell. That's just another false and absurd statement from you. Only complete fools think Christianity invented hell; they just invented a way to profit through marketing the Get Outta the Hell we marketed" card. Long before the Garden of Eden there were societies and religions all over the world that had traditions of some sort of hell.
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Percy Member Posts: 22392 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Faith writes: What you aren't getting is that infiltrators are going to act like Trump supporters so they can provide the fake news of shouting him off the stage. You live in an active fantasy world.
I simply don't know of any actual Trump supporters who would have done that to Trump Jr. Since you hardly know anyone, especially in that age group, this is an empty assertion.
But perhaps you have better evidence. You can't compare your evidence to mine because you've provided no evidence. All you've provided is denial and false bluster. I provided two videos. Here's another video of conservative Meghan McCain taking on Donald Trump Jr. on The View:
Being a Trump supporter doesn't mean supporting everything Trump or everyone in his family does. --Percy
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
The deception is on the part of the apologists. If it's a "war", you're on the wrong side. Well I know one thing if its all i know. If I am on the wrong side God will correct me. Edited by Thugpreacha, : SpellingChance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction . "~Thugpreacha You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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