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Author Topic:   A Believers Critique Of The Humanist Manifesto
Theodoric
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Message 29 of 175 (789935)
08-22-2016 1:17 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by nwr
08-22-2016 10:45 AM


Re: Where is the problem?
At least he is honest about it.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Message 141 of 175 (866877)
11-16-2019 7:49 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by jar
11-16-2019 7:38 PM


She has no right to post on the site. It is a dick move by Percy, but it is funny and well he can do what he wants.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 147 of 175 (866884)
11-16-2019 8:28 PM
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11-16-2019 7:59 PM


It isn't censorship

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 171 of 175 (866985)
11-18-2019 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 170 by ringo
11-18-2019 11:18 AM


Re: The Coming Apocalypse: Secular Humanist Version.
I was thinking the same thing. Never heard of him. I think fundies can not conceive of the idea that no one speaks for atheists or atheism. What ever this guy has to say has nothing to do with what any other humanist or atheist has to say or what they think. These are his viewpoints. There is no humanist or atheist dogma.
Phat is on his apologist kick and he seems to think his view that Ravi the shyster kicked Sam the misogynists' butt(these are not personal attacks against them, it is reasonable conclusion based upon verifiable evidence). It has no bearing on anything. All a humanist apologist can do is defend their own belief set.
He also seems to be obsessed with the "Four Horsemen". This is a media created designation. I know of no one in the atheist world that considers these guys to be leaders of any sort. The only thing I have in common with Sam Harris is that we both do not have a belief in a god. I don't care about anything he writes or says as it has no effect on my belief set.
Here is a difference between believers and nonbelievers. Believers let and expect apologists determine what they believe. Seemingly they have no confidence to make their own decisions or to even read the plain text of their religious tomes. Nonbelievers will listen to defenders of atheist and humanism, but do not and will not adjust their beliefs to what is said and written. Facts and data drive our belief set, not word salad.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 173 of 175 (866994)
11-18-2019 2:55 PM
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11-18-2019 2:05 PM


Re: The Coming Apocalypse: Secular Humanist Version.
Agreed. Much better than how I put it, but that is the meaning I was actually trying to express.
We listen, learn and mature. What we don't do is take what they say and accept it uncritically.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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