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AZPaul3
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Message 136 of 175 (866869)
11-16-2019 7:29 PM
Reply to: Message 135 by Faith
11-16-2019 7:22 PM


Re: Humanist Clout vs Theocratic Clout
Wow, Percy just cut you off totally.
Is this supposed to be humorous? Wrong thread.

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Message 137 of 175 (866871)
11-16-2019 7:34 PM
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11-16-2019 7:29 PM


Re: Humanist Clout vs Theocratic Clout
You have to use "Peek." It may or may not be humorous. I can take it either way. Obviously he took offense at some of my recent comments about how he's acting like a totalitarian dictator.

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Message 138 of 175 (866873)
11-16-2019 7:38 PM


Well, since he has not censored you in any way (peek shows what your spiel in full) it is hardly totalitarian.

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Message 139 of 175 (866875)
11-16-2019 7:43 PM
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11-16-2019 7:38 PM


It's asshole.

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Message 140 of 175 (866876)
11-16-2019 7:46 PM
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11-16-2019 7:43 PM


It's certainly silly IMHO.

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Message 141 of 175 (866877)
11-16-2019 7:49 PM
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11-16-2019 7:38 PM


She has no right to post on the site. It is a dick move by Percy, but it is funny and well he can do what he wants.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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AZPaul3
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Message 142 of 175 (866878)
11-16-2019 7:53 PM
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11-16-2019 7:46 PM


Yeah, I know. But when you get over the chuckles it's really childish.
I understand Faith may have goaded him on but, come on, man. He's not the crazy type like Faith. He has too much class for this.
Anyway, off topic. I stop.
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

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Message 143 of 175 (866879)
11-16-2019 7:53 PM


Back towards the topic.
The topic is "A Believers Critique Of The Humanist Manifesto" and the Harvard Divinity School which is certainly a voice of some believers has a page on the Humanist Manifestos as part of its Religious Literacy Project.
A simple critique of the Humanist Manifestos (there have been three) is as follows:
quote:
These Humanist Manifestos are not intended to serve as a timeless doctrine for humanists to follow, but rather seek to identify shared goals around which humanist-leaning people might choose to rally and work for the progress of society.

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Message 144 of 175 (866880)
11-16-2019 7:59 PM
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11-16-2019 7:49 PM


The honest thing for him to do is clearly define my offense and suspend me for it. Censorship is of course completely in keeping with the totalitarian leftist lean of EvC, though, so perhaps that's what he prefers to express.

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Message 145 of 175 (866882)
11-16-2019 8:06 PM
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11-16-2019 7:59 PM


Continued insults will not help. You know you can get in people's craw in a caustic way. Lighten up a little bit? Please?
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Sorry, jar, I forgot to stop. I stop now. Promise.
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

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Message 146 of 175 (866883)
11-16-2019 8:07 PM
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11-16-2019 7:59 PM


And he has not censored you. Everything you post can be seen through the peek function.

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Message 147 of 175 (866884)
11-16-2019 8:28 PM
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11-16-2019 7:59 PM


It isn't censorship

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 148 of 175 (866886)
11-16-2019 8:32 PM
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11-16-2019 8:06 PM


What is my offense please?
Oooooooh, it's just an INSULT to say EvC members are mostly ideologically leftist? THAT's what I have to stop saying? But it is. Hyro just left the forum because he was told he couldn't say that either. And he and I don't agree on a lot these days so I thought it was interesting we share that view of EvC. Or do you just want me to avoid the implications of that fact, that the ideology tends toward totalitarianism? It is quite clear that you all hate Trump and many of you like one or another of the candidates among the Democrats, who are about as extremely leftist as you can get, WAY into socialism of the Marxist kind, which I believe would bring the country down in less than a generation if any of them get into power. But I'm not allowed to say that? really, truly, I just need to know exactly what my offense is, I'm really not sure.
Of course it's not that I'm called "alt-reich" and "alt-right" and "crazy" and a "hater" and "racist" and "homophobe" ALL OF WHICH ARE STRICTLY LEFTIST/MARXIST political correctness and nobody here seems to have a problem with most of that. All that is the very ideological slant at EvC that I'm characterizing as Leftist and totalitarian. So am I not allowed to say that? It's exactly what the Prager article is all about. Perhaps all this should be on that thread. Is that what I'm supposed to repent of?
True it's Percy's site and he can do whatever he wants. I just need to know what I should do, but to decide that I need to get a better sense of what my offense is. Perhaps my only option will be to leave.
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Message 149 of 175 (866887)
11-16-2019 8:34 PM
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11-16-2019 7:59 PM


SENSORS & CENSORS
Evidently Percy feels as if you are unrepentant over your choice of words and he thus totally censors your posts for the reason that people are now never forced to see your words unless they really want to see them. Perhaps he grew tired of being personally slandered by you and felt as if others may also feel that way. If he simply suspended you or banned you, it would give you cause to claim martyrdom, so he is allowing you the choice of leaving or not...only insisting that if you do stay you must stop attacking everybody who is of a different political persuasion to yourself. I personally think it is a bit extreme, but I can see his logic. Perhaps he feels as if you could change if you really wanted to and it is just that you refuse to change. I tend to attack nonbelievers myself, so I too will have to work on my tact.

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Message 150 of 175 (866888)
11-16-2019 8:41 PM
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11-16-2019 8:34 PM


Re: SENSORS & CENSORS
The words Percy has censored are perfectly good English words, and many of them happen to be necessary to expressing my particular political point of view. I could repent of specifically insulting namecalling words, and I will if any are included in his list, but they all look like ordinary English words to me that just happen to express my political point of view. And I do think his censorship policy expresses exactly what I'm describing by those words, which is what I started saying to him recently. Now if he wants me to take THAT back I can, but then I still don't think there is any cause for the censorship he'd already been doing. In other words I don't see what I'm supposed to repent OF or apologize FOR. The last time we went through this it was clear to me what he was objecting to and I did change and he did stop censoring me. This time around I have no idea, it seems colmpletely senseless.
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