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Author Topic:   A Believers Critique Of The Humanist Manifesto
Faith 
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Message 135 of 175 (866868)
11-16-2019 7:22 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by AZPaul3
11-16-2019 5:53 PM


Re: Humanist Clout vs Theocratic Clout
That was quite a rant.l To no good purpose that I can see since I said absolutely nothing that applies to anyone but myself and others who belive what I believe. And what I believe is based on the ***** so any cults that don't accept the ***** or interpret away the passage about marriage are not included. It's all about those who believe what I believe based on the *****, and that is that God has defined marriage and it's only for male with female, period. And if the secular government defines it some other way then I and all those who believe as I do will disobey it in order to obey God. That's it. Do as you please, I never said you should do anything different.

Ha ha! I see Percy has been having himself a good old time ********* every single word I write.

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Message 137 of 175 (866871)
11-16-2019 7:34 PM
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11-16-2019 7:29 PM


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Message 144 of 175 (866880)
11-16-2019 7:59 PM
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11-16-2019 7:49 PM


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Faith 
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Message 148 of 175 (866886)
11-16-2019 8:32 PM
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11-16-2019 8:06 PM


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Message 150 of 175 (866888)
11-16-2019 8:41 PM
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11-16-2019 8:34 PM


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Message 152 of 175 (866897)
11-17-2019 7:57 AM
Reply to: Message 131 by ringo
11-16-2019 11:51 AM


Re: Humanist Clout vs Theocratic Clout
ringo writes:

Faith writes:

I didn't say they OBEYED the law, I merely stated the law.

It's not a law. The Commandments mention no such law.

It is considered to be a law, called a "Creation Ordinance" and we are to obey the Creation Ordinances as laws. There is only one other I know of -- "be fruitful and multiply" -- but there may be more:

Ligonier Ministries

THANK YOU PERCY FOR EASING UP ON THE **********.

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Message 153 of 175 (866898)
11-17-2019 8:02 AM
Reply to: Message 132 by AZPaul3
11-16-2019 5:46 PM


The Beginning of the death of freedom in the USA
Of course it's still a free country. You are free to obey your god to your hearts content. No one is going to **** you that right.
But everyone else is also free to obey their own gods or lack thereof without any interference from you.

No, I believe it is not a free country any more when a Christian cannot obey God without being punished for it, as the businesses who refused to cater a gay wedding were punished.. It's just the beginning of worse to come as I and many others see it.

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Faith 
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Message 155 of 175 (866900)
11-17-2019 8:16 AM
Reply to: Message 154 by jar
11-17-2019 8:09 AM


Re: The Beginning of the death of freedom in the USA
No, the Christians who were punished for obeying God are the true Biblical Christians, no cult, and each of those business owners understood the ***** in the same way independently of one another, because it is standard Biblical teaching: A man shall leave his ****** and mother and cleave unto his wife. There has never been any doubt in mainline Christianityh as to what that means, it is indeed God's law, called a Creation Ordinance, and it does not include homosexual partners. So we will be punished for taking this stand in a country that has validated gay marriage.

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Faith 
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Message 158 of 175 (866903)
11-17-2019 8:22 AM
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11-17-2019 8:16 AM


Re: The Beginning of the death of freedom in the USA
You may not dictate what Christians believe. It is clear to us that a gay wedding violates the Creation Ordinance of marriage between a man and a woman and that if we participate in a gay wedding we are violating that law. All the businesses put in the position of being asked to cater to a gay wedding understood that it violates God's law and had to obey that law instead of the secular law.

But this is all I want to say about this. It's off topic of course as the last few pages have all been off topic, and there is nothing more to say about it anyway.


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Message 161 of 175 (866924)
11-17-2019 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 160 by ringo
11-17-2019 1:18 PM


Re: Humanist Clout vs Theocratic Clout
I suspect it is simply how men of superior spirituality understand the *****.

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Faith 
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Message 164 of 175 (866927)
11-17-2019 1:33 PM
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11-17-2019 1:30 PM


Re: Humanist Clout vs Theocratic Clout
The understanding of a child IS superior spirituality.

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